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Happy editing! Peaceray (talk) 16:43, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings!

Excellent work on the templates. If you are interested, you could write a section about Chinese and/or Japanese conservatism in the main article on conservatism under the heading "National variants". Other nations, such as India and South Korea, are already represented. I would have done it myself, but it's better to leave it to someone with genuine expertise on the topic. Then there's also the possibility of creating new articles that deal exclusively with Chinese and Japanese conservatism, respectively.

Regards Trakking (talk) 15:07, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm DB1729. I noticed that you recently removed content from Yamato people without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. DB1729^talk 11:33, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for providing this explanation. While I have struck through the templated warning above, the message still stands. I strongly suggest getting into the habit of always providing edit summaries, especially for major edits and those involving content removal. I would expect to be reverted if I removed a significant chunk of text without explanation. Editors reviewing should not have to try and figure out why something was removed.

Edit summaries can be a benefit to you as well. I have found them to be extremely helpful in referencing my previous edits, just for my own sake.

Have a great rest of your day:) Cheers! --DB1729^talk 12:06, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. From now on, I will write down the edit summary when I do a large-scale editing. ProKMT (talk) 00:31, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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CurryTime7-24 (talk) 23:27, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there, and thanks for your recent contributions on China-related topics. One thing: when you add Chinese text to an article, could you please tag it appropriately as such? It's important for accessibility and other reasons, see this page for details. thanks! Remsense诉 06:22, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Generally, you should not cite other Wikipedia articles, either on the English Wikipedia or another Wikispace, when explaining your edits or making arguments on improving articles. "It's there so why not here?" is an argument to avoid, the reason being that editors can add anything anywhere at anytime if they have editing access. Yue🌙 20:50, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Radical pro-Beijing camp is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Simonm223 (talk) 13:04, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the revert at Hong Kong nationalism, the UI for diffs on my computer changed recently and I still sometimes get the added/removed notation backwards. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 14:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Anti-mainlander sentiment in Hong Kong has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Citobun (talk) 23:28, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I have noticed that you often edit without using an edit summary. Please do your best to always fill in the summary field. This helps your fellow editors use their time more productively, rather than spending it unnecessarily scrutinizing and verifying your work. Even a short summary is better than no summary, and summaries are particularly important for large, complex, or potentially controversial edits. To help yourself remember, you may wish to check the "prompt me when entering a blank edit summary" box in your preferences. Thanks! Pieceofmetalwork (talk) 10:59, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi ProKMT! I noticed that you recently moved a redirect. While this is possible, it is not normally necessary, and doing this can (for example) make it harder to find out how long a given redirect has existed for. You can instead create a new redirect from the title you wish to move the page to, and - if you believe that the other redirect should be deleted - you can nominate it at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion.

Let me know if you have any queries. All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 12:07, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your edit to Hong Kong nationalism has been removed in whole or in part, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for information on how to contribute your work appropriately. For legal reasons, Wikipedia strictly cannot host copyrighted text or images from print media or digital platforms without an appropriate and verifiable license. Contributions infringing on copyright will be removed. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously, and persistent violators of our copyright policy will be blocked from editing. See Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources for more information. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 09:50, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I search for books through google search, how can I usually check the copyright of books? ProKMT (talk) 09:52, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Checking the publication date of the book is the easiest way. Basically, books published in 1928 or earlier are in what's called the public domain, so you can legally copy them as much as you want (but on Wikipedia, you have to tell us that you've done that through something like this template Template:Source-attribution). Anything else, with the exception of some government/state works (varies by nation) is typically under legal protection. While we can cite those sources, we can't copy-paste prose from them, or paraphrase too closely. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 09:55, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please tell me specifically how to check the copyright of the book after 1928. If not, I can't help but see a drastic reduction in Wikipedia editing. ProKMT (talk) 10:07, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If it's a book and its publication date is after 1928 you can safely assume it is copyrighted. Simonm223 (talk) 10:44, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I didn't see this notification but Epoch Times falls under it. Simonm223 (talk) 12:13, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry if I seem like I've been putting a fair bit of pressure on you lately, especially because I don't want to WP:BITE a new editor but there's a few things I think you need to know if you want to have a productive editing experience:

I'm guessing from your username and from your talk page commentary that you have some very strong opinions about China. That's fine. Frankly so do I. This is not important though. What is important is that we edit for neutrality guided by reliable sources. We must ensure that the sources we use actually support the assertions we assign to them - this is a problem I have had with your "radical pro-Beijing" material - it is not supported by the sources you are citing. Trying to re-insert those sources on a new page minus the multitudinous ^{[failed verification]} tags which I added with edit summaries explaining exactly how they didn't support the assertions they claimed was a frustrating response to the AfD and not something you should have undertaken solo and without any talk page discussion. Likewise your assertions that, within Hong Kong any anti-Beijing faction categorically cannot be right-wing or that any pro-Beijing faction is intrinsically right wing must be supported by reliable sources. I'd suggest that these assertions come close to WP:FRINGE views and thus require extraordinary sourcing in order to assert in wiki voice. I will start a talk page discussion regarding your merge attempt. I strongly recommend you discuss your sources there before re-inserting your claims. Simonm223 (talk) 21:27, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi ProKMT. Thank you for your work on Huadu (Taiwan). Another editor, SunDawn, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

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✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 04:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm getting increasingly alarmed by your consistent pattern of POV editing across topics related to China. This is exacerbated by your tendency to edit infoboxes and categories, eschewing WP:RS your non-responsiveness at article talk and the sheer volume of small edits across dozens of pages. I'd strongly recommend you stop, assemble your thoughts to these pervasive changes and approach WP:CHINA to discuss the thrust of these changes and build consensus before proceeding. Could you please do so - because I am afraid that, right now, you're creating a lot of cleanup work for people across a variety of pages with these haphazard and non-discussed revisions to categories, infoboxes and other such adjustments. Simonm223 (talk) 16:16, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is it because of the Talk session of the Epoch Times? However, I did not edit the political position of the infobox in the Epoch Times article. In the case of a radical pro-Beijing camp article, I referred to the Chinese Wikipedia when I edited it. ProKMT (talk) 07:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Does "approach WP:CHINA" mean, for example, something like this? In the case of a new edit that is likely to be highly controversial, let me approach the talk session of WP:CHINA. ProKMT (talk) 07:25, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No it's not just about the Epoch Times issue - nor just about the edit to the Boxer Rebellion but rather your consistent pattern of clearly POV editing to categories, infoboxes and other locations not requiring sources combined with your regular use of weak sources such as blogs, newspapers that don't exist anymore, online only HK newspapers of questionable provenance, etc. I am asking you to engage at the wikiproject about the general thrust of these edits. Simonm223 (talk) 12:19, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ProKMT came from WP:3O. Would request advice to provide a neutral short summary (synopsis). Some quick tips may help you and others too, to help you. Happy editing Bookku (talk) 08:09, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The purpose of an infobox is to summarise, not supplant information in the article body. You do not need to add explanatory footnotes for every similarly named topic that readers may be confused about; that's what the disambiguation hatnotes are for in the main articles.

What I mean by this is, for example, you do not need to add the same footnote about Taiwanese nationalism in the Japanese era being different from the modern era to every infobox mention of Taiwanese nationalism before the modern era. This is a distinction that should be made in the article Taiwanese nationalism itself, and you should assume readers can figure out that distinction by reading the Taiwanese People's Party article itself. If they can't, you didn't do a good job of making it clear in the article body (in this case, you didn't make the effort at all).

Such lengthy footnotes, without proper explanations in the article body, are counter-intuitive to MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE. In a nutshell, you're supposed to make a nice box with concise information, not include lengthy notes for people to read because, if you do, then why would readers bother with the article body when the article body has been placed inside the infobox? In this case, I'd contend that the footnote is wholly unnecessary anyways, because the distinction should be obvious to readers from the article body, otherwise you should be more specific with what you add to the infobox, e.g. Taiwanese independence from Japan (or just Taiwanese independence; you don't have to clarify that it isn't independence from China because readers should be able to figure out from the article that Taiwan was under Japanese rule at the time!).

TL;DR, don't assume readers are poorly read and spoon feed them all the context improperly (i.e. by putting them in the infobox in contraduction of MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE), even if that assumption is likely true for the average reader. Yue🌙 06:13, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removed the footnotes from the Taiwanese People's Party article. As you say, the TPP may be an unnecessary footnote because it is a political party during the Japanese rule. But the reason I added a footnote in my previous edit is that there was a Taiwanese nationalist who thought he wasn't Chinese even before 1945. ProKMT (talk) 07:01, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding this recent edit of yours, two things:

1. Remember to start a discussion on the talk page before you add a maintenance tag. This is policy, because if I am a reader who notices the tag and I want a better explanation, the talk page would be the first place I would go. I would not instinctively search through the edit history to look for your edit summary with the explanation.
2. The NPOV tag is for content that may not be neutral, not the editor(s)' intentions which may not be neutral. You add the tag when the content is written from a specific point of view, such as when an opinion is stated as fact. Everything in the section you added were simple facts, but I would agree that the editor(s) who added them did so with a specific view in mind that wasn't clearly stated in the section. Instead of adding the NPOV tag I would have added the Relevance tag, or better yet, I would have just removed the section as the connection was unclear (only obvious to the editor(s) who added it).

Yue🌙 06:23, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I created that category incorrectly. So, I don't mind if the category is deleted. ProKMT (talk) 23:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An article you recently created, The Veteran (Taiwan), is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Dan arndt (talk) 11:51, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, do you think Falun Gong-associated entities (e.g. New Tang Dynasty Television or Epoch Times) should be added to the conservatism templates for China/Taiwan (e.g. in the Related section)? I'm torn. Biohistorian15 (talk) 20:26, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, would Frank Dikötter and his books be worth including? I'll totally leave it to you; I'm no expert in Asian politics. Biohistorian15 (talk) 21:47, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And... sorry for disturbing you with the open tabs I want to finally close: how about Far West (Taixi)? Biohistorian15 (talk) 22:02, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My view: Falun Gong-related groups could also be included in Chinese conservatism. However, because Falun Gong was born in mainland China, it is ambiguous to call it Taiwanese conservatism. ProKMT (talk) 03:29, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] You really should publicly disclose on your user page which other accounts are also yours. seefooddiet (talk) 05:46, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

親美自由派 is my account, and I used it only once when I couldn't remember the password. ProKMT (talk) 11:34, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the edit histories of a lot of the pages you edit, often most of the editors were banned for sockpuppeting, and the topics are often contentious. It's not an encouraging trend. Please be more proactive in disclosing these alternate accounts. seefooddiet (talk) 20:36, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@129.126.202.49 does this IP belong to you by any chance? Some topic overlap with your edits. seefooddiet (talk) 09:53, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't edit English Wikipedia with IP ProKMT (talk) 07:05, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even if it isn't you, the consistent WP:SYNTH and WP:POV in your edits is alarming. You need to stick to sources much tighter. Do not analyze the situation on your own or infer details from sources that aren't directly written in the source. seefooddiet (talk) 07:12, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi ProKMT. Thank you for your work on Local ethnic nationalism. Another editor, North8000, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

I almost AFD'd this one. To some extent it is essay-like and the title looks like a neologism that is not used in the sources. And a better title would probably indicate that it is China-specific. But IMO "the tendency of minority nationalities to secede from China" is a suitable distinct topic/ grouping, and there is substantial content and sources regarding this.Happy editing!

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North8000 (talk) 21:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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You are suspected of sockpuppetry, which means that someone suspects you of using multiple Wikipedia accounts for prohibited purposes. Please make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to investigations, then, if you wish to do so, respond to the evidence at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ProKMT. Thank you. Simonm223 (talk) 13:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even if this SPI doesn't pass, may be worth having a discussion somewhere about the consistent WP:POV and WP:SYNTH in this user's edits. I don't know what it is about these political ideology pages; if you look at the edit histories for these pages like half the users were banned for sockpuppeting and the edits are chock full of POV/SYNTH. seefooddiet (talk) 07:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a reason why you think I'm doing POV more than other Chinese political article editors? It's not customary to write 100% of the content written in the source equally, and copyright issues can arise. I think I'm misunderstood as "biased" because of my username, but I'm not ethnic Chinese/Taiwanese and I'm not legally a citizen of PRC or ROC. I have no direct political interests with the KMT. I don't deny crimes in the past dictatorship, like the Wihte Terror in the KMT. I made a positive edit of the DPP without making a negative edit. I never biasedly glorified the conservatism of the ROC when editing. ProKMT (talk) 07:28, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's completely irrespective of what the topic you edit on is; it's the fact that your edits stretch past what the sources you give say. You need to strictly represent each source, no more, no less. A number of your edit comments don't help either; you analyze the situation on your own, making broad comments like "x believe y". All these contribute to distrust.

I have no opinions about the topics you cover; I often don't know much about them. It's solely a matter of Wikipedia policy, and it doesn't take a subject matter expert to spot these things seefooddiet (talk) 07:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It also doesn't help that you're in bad company (most users being banned on those pages) and the topics you edit are often extremely controversial.

If you edited on like butterflies and nobody else around you was banned I wouldn't be here. seefooddiet (talk) 07:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be honest that I've got significant concerns regarding ProKMT's use of sources - sources they've inserted routinely fail verification to the point where, if I see an edit from them about Chinese politics, I kind of feel it is necessary to check the source immediately. They also regularly insert obvious WP:SYNTH into the articles they edit. However I am concerned that this... rather loose... interpretation of Wikipedia policy may also extend to their suspected patterns of editing while logged out. That's a specific issue that we can test and that has nothing to do with questions of POV in a contentious topic area. Regardless, I would encourage ProKMT, whether they're socking or not, to start paying more careful attention to the works they're citing in their edits. Simonm223 (talk) 12:51, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And that's not even touching all the blatant POV edits to templates like this one. Treating negative sentiments toward Taiwan as a feature specifically of Chinese conservatism is unlikely to be supported by any significant sources. Simonm223 (talk) 12:59, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also addressing the "100%" comment; it's disingenuous to try and portray me as telling you to basically violate copyright in order to represent sources. I write a lot on Wikipedia and have never come close to violating copyright; you don't either. You just summarize, in your own words, what they're saying. The issue is when you add your own ideas or say things the source doesn't suggest. seefooddiet (talk) 17:49, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As a long-time editor of pages relating to Chinese history and the history of Taiwan, what seefooddiet is saying here is absolutely true. Citations are first and foremost. What you assert without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence, ProKMT. GuardianH (talk) 20:43, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The disruptive editing of Pro-KMT has significantly altered the historical and political narratives in various articles. The editing has also led to the disregard for previously established consensus, which escalated conflicts. The user has also created templates and sections within articles that reflect a clear POV bias and are entirely unsourced. Guotaian (talk) 02:06, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is very absurd that Guotaian refers to "disruptive editing" aimed at me. In numerous articles on China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan, Guotaian attempted "disruptive editing" to fundamentally change existing political positions, ideologies, and narratives, and I only canceled his "disruptive editing." In addition to me, Guotaian had a big conflict with Yue, Vif12vf, and other users. [2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] ProKMT (talk) 08:11, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

GuardianH had an editorial dispute with me in the 'Conservatism in Taiwan' template, and therefore is not a neutral opinion. GuardianH forced "ideologies" and "Principles" to be unified in the 'Conservatism in Taiwan' template [10][11]; "Ideologies" and "Principles" are necessarily separated in the template relating to conservatism in other countries.[12][13][14][15][16][17] ProKMT (talk) 07:07, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, in your edit Special:Diff/1265709740 there is an undefined reference <ref name="PBCP"/> in the Iran section. --CiaPan (talk) 07:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your contributions to Schools in the Republic of China reopened in Taiwan. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it has no sources. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit for review" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 12:33, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This article is a de facto list article, and list articles often have no source. (see: List of universities and colleges in Taipei, List of direct democracy parties, Social Democratic Party, etc) ProKMT (talk) 02:17, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:NLIST and per WP:LISTORG, A company or organization may be included in a list of companies or organizations whether or not it meets the Wikipedia notability requirement, unless a given list specifically requires this. If the company or organization does not have an existing article in Wikipedia, a citation to an independent, reliable source should be provided to establish its membership in the list's group. and It does not matter if other article is doing it, we must follow NLIST and LISTORG. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 02:34, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you copied or moved content from Chiangism into Second United Front. While you are welcome to re-use Wikipedia's content (here or elsewhere), Wikipedia's licensing does require that you provide attribution to the original contributor(s). When copying within Wikipedia, this is supplied at minimum in an edit summary at the page into which you've copied content, disclosing the copying and linking to the copied page, e.g., copied content from [[page name]]; see that page's history for attribution. It is good practice, especially if copying is extensive, to also place a properly formatted {{copied}} template on the talk pages of the source and destination. Please provide attribution for this duplication if it has not already been supplied by another editor, and if you have copied material between pages before, even if it was a long time ago, you should provide attribution for that also. You can read more about the procedure and the reasons at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. Thank you. Diannaa (talk) 14:09, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello ProKMT. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Anti-People's Republic of China sentiment, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The reason given is not a valid speedy deletion criterion. Thank you. Arcticocean ■ 11:54, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. You have recently moved Pro-Republic of China to Pro–Republic of China and Anti-People's Republic of China to Anti–People's Republic of China and updated many backlinks to the old pages. This isn't correct. These titles should use the hyphen, not the en-dash. When words are being joined, only a hyphen may be used between them. The en dash means something else entirely, and both article titles are now wrong. I am therefore going to undo all the page moves and revert all the backlink changes, and I would ask you not to reinstate them or make any more incorrect punctuation changes. Sorry to be so direct about this, but fixing these changes takes up a lot of editorial time and are therefore quite disruptive. Arcticocean ■ 13:26, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I only saw the titles of Category:Anti-Asian sentiment and Category:Anti–East Asian sentiment and I misunderstood. I'm not a native English speaker, so thank you for correcting my misediting. ProKMT (talk) 13:32, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Arcticocean: My understanding is that the dash is correct when there are spaces on the rhs, per MOS:AFFIXDASH. However, there's an ongoing move discussion, so there's no need to revert at this time. Jruderman (talk) 01:34, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.

If you believe that there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  _signed, Rosguill ^talk 14:23, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Both of you went way over the line with the edit warring across multiple pages. The correct course of action would have been to take a step back and request additional editors' input after the first or second revert. Your edit summaries calling Guotaian's edits destructive and shouting in all-caps are further bad form; even if you're right, you gain nothing from engaging in this way, and it will generally result only in further inflaming the conflict. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 14:31, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure why you relisted the multi-page dispute at 3O; a third opinion was provided and there are now four editors involved, it appears. You're welcome to explain your reasoning here if you only wish for my involvement, or at the 3O talk page if you feel there are valid reasons why the dispute should be relisted. DonIago (talk) 14:07, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pro-KMT, between creating whole articles that are entirely WP:SYNTH and the Conservatism in Greater China page move you seem to have a tendency to make very bold major changes to the China article topic area that are honestly disruptive. I had Conservatism in China watchlisted but missed your page move. I did not have Conservatism in Greater China watchlisted. That means for me, and anyone else like me, your move basically broke our watchlisting and why? Because you had an edit dispute with one other editor. Please be significantly less rash in the future. Simonm223 (talk) 13:34, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that Guotaian removes Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Macau from the "Conservatism in China" article and template because "China" is soon "PRC". I don't mind if the title of the article is "Conservatism in China" or "Conservatism in Greater China". However, the Taiwanese, Hong Kong, and Macau conservatism must be included absolutely in the article and template. My serious concern is, if the title goes back to "Conservatism in China", Guotaian will remove cases in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau's conservatism. So will the template. I'm very, very concerned about this. ProKMT (talk) 13:40, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is not the right way to resolve a content dispute. Seriously you have to cut this out and be a bit more patient. These huge swings lead to a ton of cleanup work for the volunteers who come in later to find the mess you left behind. I'm getting pretty frustrated with having to have these conversations with you again and again. I know you mean well so I've been very patient with you but please. Stop. Simonm223 (talk) 13:43, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

At some point stronger disciplinary action should be taken. This user's edits have been really disruptive for a long time and there's no clear end in sight. seefooddiet (talk) 15:16, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think, from my perspective, ProKMT can consider this the last warning before I seek remedies. Simonm223 (talk) 15:18, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My real view: Mainland, Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan are all "China", but Guotaian claims "China" = "PRC", it is not my claims.

1) I created the "Conservatism in China" template and an article, and it covered conservatism in Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan as well as the Mainland PRC.

2) In an article created and edited by Guotaian, he claimed that only the Mainland "PRC" since 1949 was "China" and removed cases from the Mainland ROC, Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan before 1949. (Guotaian even put the image of the People's Republic of China in the template.)

3) Since I opposed Guotaian's destructive editing, I restored the contents related to Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan in the "Conservatism in China" article. This led to an edit war with Guotaian, which led to a 24-hour block on both me and Guotaian.

My original position is that Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan's conservatism, as well as Mainland PRC must be included in the "Conservatism in China" article and template. The problem is that to solve this, I have to wage a 2nd edit war with Guotaian even at the risk of being blocked. So I was forced to change the title of the article, and this time I'm accusing seefooddiet of making "edits have been really disruptive" to my user talk page. To be honest, I feel a very unfair.

It's Guotaian who really needs a "strong discretionary action", at least I didn't have any problems with it before Guotaian made a devastating edit of the "Conservatism in China" article and the template.

Guotaian stubbornly insists on in several articles and templates: Conservatism in China template should not attempt to cover all of Greater China, but should instead focus on conservatism within the PRC, while separate templates handle Hong Kong and Taiwan conservatism in their respective political contexts.[18] The fact that the PRC officially recognizes the ROC as "China" until 1949 does not mean that a modern template should treat pre-1949 liberalism and PRC-era liberalism as a single entity. ... Instead of forcing all periods of Chinese liberalism into a single PRC-centric template, a better approach would be to separate modern PRC liberalism from historical liberalism in China, ensuring that each is accurately represented[19]

Suggestions of excessive separation of templates (or articles), and attempts to limit 'China' to 'PRC' were all Guotaian's. When Guotaian made his destructive edits and destructive claims, almost no one stopped Guotaian, and I was the only one who undid Guotaian edits, and then I was unfairly blocked for starting an edit war. So, to avoid an edit war with Guotaian, I accepted Guotaian suggestions and edited the articles and templates, and now other users accuse me of destructive editing. Guotaian bears a large part of the responsibility for the current mess, and therefore I feel the situation is very unequal, unfair, and discriminatory. ProKMT (talk) 05:07, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

On Wikipedia, it's current practice to refer to "China" as the PRC. To be clear, this is not my preference; I don't have a significant opinion on the matter. I align politically with Taiwan and dislike the CCP. This is purely a matter of following Wikipedia conventions. I think if you want to change Wikipedia conventions, you should attempt to start a move discussion on China, but I think your odds of success are extremely low. Until you succeed in such a move discussion, IMO you should follow the convention used on the rest of Wikipedia.

Honestly the shots you're firing at Guotaian at this comment, as well as your open POV pushing in this comment and elsewhere, are still unflattering to you. This is continually unencouraging. seefooddiet (talk) 18:41, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Conservatism in Greater China has been nominated for merging with Template:Conservatism in China. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you.  GuardianH  00:44, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

	The Original Barnstar
	For helping with Chinese-related topics Thehistorianisaac (talk) 07:32, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for giving me Barnstar! I will continue to make many good contributions related to Chinese-related topics. ProKMT (talk) 08:21, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. Guotaian (talk) 10:16, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 week for edit warring, as you did at Template:Liberalism in China. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.

If you believe that there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Aoidh (talk) 15:51, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

At some point, this user should be given more serious sanctions. Continual behavioral and editing issues across a long time, they appear unlikely to get better. seefooddiet (talk) 19:16, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What do you think my continuous behavioral and editing issues are? Both of my sanctions stemmed from edit conflicts with Guotaian. You revealed yourself that you don't know much about China topics: I have no opinions about the topics you cover; I often don't know much about them. I recently received a Barnstar on China topics from another user, which is proof that I'm making much more positive contributions to China topics than negative contributions to China topics. ProKMT (talk) 22:39, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Scroll up and read through the various threads, all covered there. Anyone can give barnstars for anything; they don't really mean all that much. I've seen plenty of users who were banned shortly after receiving barnstars for things. seefooddiet (talk) 23:01, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to address the middle point: this is a non-criticism. In literally the next sentence I say It's solely a matter of Wikipedia policy, and it doesn't take a subject matter expert to spot these things. In other words, your conduct and editing issues are so obvious that non-experts can easily spot them. And they have, over and over and over again. Numerous editors have reaffirmed that your editing is problematic. seefooddiet (talk) 02:28, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, ProKMT. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Kuomintang, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for article subjects for more information. We ask that you:

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You don't have to worry about this. I'm not ethnic Chinese/Taiwanese, I have no nationality of PRC or ROC, I have no political interests of KMT. I'm just a foreigner interested in Chinese history! ProKMT (talk) 22:41, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What does KMT mean in your name then if not Kuomintang? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 00:18, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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A tag has been placed on Conservatism in China (disambiguation) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G14 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because

• it is a disambiguation page which either

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Template:Liberalism in Greater China has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:17, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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You may not be aware of this but the pattern of editing where you reference the blocked editor Guotaian as being "destructive" in edit summaries is something Wikipedia discourages. It's called WP:GRAVEDANCING. Furthermore an editor being blocked for edit warring does not mean every edit they ever made is automatically invalid. I strongly encourage you to stop this pattern. If you believe an edit should be changed your edit summary should reflect why rather than who. Simonm223 (talk) 10:49, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I find a lot of your template additions are WP:SYNTH in a way that is quite detrimental to neutrality. This is leading to another round of having to clean up after you as you go about over-linking both contemporary Chinese thought and classical Chinese thought to Conservatism, this is rather anachronistic when dealing with philosophical movements such as Confucianism and Legalism that predate the formulation of Conservatism as a concrete ideology. I would suggest you should seek feedback before creating these template links. Simonm223 (talk) 12:08, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not the only one who has added links to articles related to Confucianism to the template. Confucianism is described as proto-conservative and can never be separated from modern Chinese conservatism. There are many sources that refer to the connection between Chinese conservatism and Confucianism. Legalism, like Confucianism, is deeply related to modern Chinese conservatism. ProgramT (talk) 12:12, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Going to need a citation for that claim. Simonm223 (talk) 12:12, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(As I don't have time, I'll quote it specifically later.) It's cited a lot in articles I haven't written: Conservatism#China and Confucius#Politics. ProgramT (talk) 12:21, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As you know Wikipedia is not a reliable source and there's more WP:SYNTH in the China area than a lot of other topic areas because of anglosphere bias issues. I would like to see a reputable academic source that correlates Legalism with conservatism. Simonm223 (talk) 12:26, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I'm not going to bother with a template here but consider yourself officially warned for edit warring. I suggest you self-revert as your edit has been heavily disputed. Simonm223 (talk) 12:28, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm trying to keep status quo, so I'm not the beginning of the edit conflict. Plus I didn't violate WP:3RR. ProgramT (talk) 12:40, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Violating WP:3RR doesn't immunize yourself from edit warring. You added content to the article. I removed it. You are not supposed to revert the material you edited back in twice. Simonm223 (talk) 12:43, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The reason why Wikipedia is an 'anglosphere bias' doesn't justify your radical change towards China. I'm strongly opposed to radical change without any consensus among users. Americans or British people have a weaker bias towards China than Japanese or South Koreans. ProgramT (talk) 12:31, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed with Simonm223's concern. And the failed attempt at WP:WIKILAWYERing on 3RR is not encouraging. The combative attitude you have towards other users who disagree with you is a serious problem, ProgramT.

The synth issues have been continuing for months and have not significantly improved. Think we should reach out to admins if it continues to not look encouraging. grapesurgeon (seefooddiet) (talk) 03:00, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I know, the first editing to include Legalism in Chinese conservatism was Trakking. [20] ProgramT (talk) 03:21, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't really address my point. Even if we were to accept that none of this dispute is your fault, this contention falls into a pattern of similar arguments that you seem to very very frequently find yourself in. And when you're in them, the arguments turn bitter, and you very frequently display poor understanding of Wikipedia policy in them, with little desire to deescalate tension. grapesurgeon (seefooddiet) (talk) 03:33, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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