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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.
If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss the proper target.
Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When to delete a redirect for more information.)
Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.
The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.
The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:
a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").
Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.
You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):
The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles" (itself a redirect to "Article"), it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also§ Neutrality of redirects.
It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, were an exception to this rule until they became their own namespace in 2024. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the suppressredirect user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves.
If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
If the redirect ends in "(disambiguation)" but does not target a disambiguation page or a page performing a disambiguation-like function (such as a set index of articles). Speedy deletion criterion G14 may apply.
They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in article text because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. Please tag these with {{R from old history}}. See alsoWikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}.
Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:
The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "AttorneygateAttorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled 2006 dismissal of U.S. attorneys. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.
The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.
Go back to the redirect page, and choose "XFD" from the new Twinkle menu.
Fill in the form and submit it.
Please do not mark the edit as minor (m).
Please include in the edit summary the phrase: Nominated for RfD: see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]].
Save the page ("Publish changes").
If you are unable to edit the redirect page because of protection, this step can be omitted, and after step 2 is completed, a request to add the RFD template can be put on the redirect's talk page.
If the redirect you are nominating is in template namespace, consider adding |showontransclusion=1 to the RfD tag so that people using the template redirect are aware of the nomination. If it is an inline template, use |showontransclusion=tiny instead.
If you are nominating multiple redirects as a group, repeat all the above steps for each redirect being nominated and specify on {{rfd}} the nomination's group heading from Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion
STEP II.
List the entry on RfD.
Click here to edit the section of RfD for today's entries.
Enter this text below the date heading:
{{subst:Rfd2|redirect=RedirectName|target=TargetArticle|text=The action you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for that action.}}~~~~
For this template:
Put the redirect's name in place of RedirectName, put the target article's name in place of TargetArticle, and include a reason after text=.
Note that, for this step, the "target article" is the current target of the redirect (if you have a suggestion for a better target, include this in the text that you insert after text=).
Please use an edit summary such as: Nominating [[RedirectName]] (replacing RedirectName with the name of the redirect you are nominating).
To list multiple related redirects for discussion, use the following syntax. Repeat line 2 for N number of redirects:
{{subst:Rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectNameN|target=TargetArticleN|text=The actions you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for those actions.}}~~~~
If the redirect has had previous RfDs, you can add {{Oldrfdlist|previous RfD without brackets|result of previous RfD}} directly after the rfd2 template.
If appropriate, inform members of the most relevant WikiProjects through one or more "deletion sorting lists". Then add a {{subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>}} template to the nomination, to insert a note that this has been done.
STEP III.
Notify users.
It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate.
To find the main contributors, look in the page history of the respective redirect(s). For convenience, the template
may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]
Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages.
Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.
This version of the page may not reflect the most current changes. Please purge this page to view the most recent changes.
Delete. There's no clear target for these redirects, and they are confusing. Most other countries don't have similar "officials" redirects. Adumbrativus (talk) 07:01, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The first (Chinese) is ambiguous with modern officials and has only one incoming link. The rest has no incoming links and aren't clean targets, because "officials" tends to mean something more specific than the entire government. Jruderman (talk) 03:19, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I could be missing something, but neither article about the Stanley Cup riots mentions a ramming/car attack. There were cars that was burned in the 2011 riot, but that is more an attack on a car. Casablanca 🪨(T)14:59, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The word "gadu" is mentioned nowhere in the target article, leaving the connection between the redirect and the target article unclear. (This redirect was formally an article that was subject to a WP:BLAR in 2014 after existing for 2 months.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:44, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Whatever this redirect is meant to represent, I do not believe that the generic article about Rice is the appropriate target. If anything, this phrase most likely refers to Rice as food, but even that is unclear. Maybe be best to delete this thing. Steel1943 (talk) 21:02, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think redirecting to Rice as Food makes more sense -- in that its descriptive of the thing being consumed (it's plain") rather than of the species or the product. Sadads (talk) 22:23, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Noting that Rice as food doesn't mention "plain rice" (yet). Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Legoktm (talk) 02:25, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sony also owns the Columbia film company so there is no obvious target. Delete as this is too hyperspecific for a disambig page Kinopikotalk21:44, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I thinkthis comment from 2010 is suggesting the addition of a mention of Fchan to the Imageboard article, however unlike other suggestions of that era it was not responded to. WikiBlame is just giving me gateway timeout errors so I can't check whether it has ever been mentioned there. Thryduulf (talk) 20:59, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep' The only other destination would be a dictionary definition for a foreign word, and 'not popular' is a judgement call, not a proper reason for deletion. Nathannah • 📮20:49, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm...Apple Internet Phone? I seriously doubt anyone would search for specifically this when trying to find iPhone. In addition, nobody calls iPhone "Internet Phone" nowadays. Also, it assumes the i (as in Apple's iconic branding) stands for specifically Internet, but that's dubious. I'm thinking delete. SeaHaircutSoilReplace(talk)19:44, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. This redirect is unambiguous. (However, I'm "weak" since I expected this redirect to be created well before 2024...) Steel1943 (talk) 21:57, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I forgot to add. Here are the views from creation to today. Only 23 views. It's obvious that nobody would ever expect a redirect like this, even if unambiguous (because iPhone is indeed Apple's phone line that has internet connectivity, ROKR E1 does not count and is much more esoteric) does not make it a plausible search term. SeaHaircutSoilReplace(talk)23:34, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify this statement: I believe the nominator is claiming that ROKR E1 could be considered ambiguous with the nominated redirect because ROKR E1 is also known as the "iTunes Phone". (Honestly, the nominator should have just plainly stated that rather than basically requiring participants to fish around in the the article to figure out where the potential ambiguity lies.) Steel1943 (talk) 01:22, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry if I confused you, @Steel1943. I didn't say that the redirect was ambiguous, I was saying that iPhone is the primary topic, because when you said that the redirect was unambiguous WP:PTOPIC first came to my mind. I wasn't even thinking about ambiguity when I nominated this redirect, rather the suspiciously implausible title. Either way, ambiguous or not, a long obscure name like "Apple Internet Phone" (not to mention the capitalization) is seriously implausible and nobody would expect such a redirect to exist. SeaHaircutSoilReplace(talk)02:17, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What I was saying was it seems you were, without directly saying it, assuming all readers either know what the ROKR E1 is and its connection to Apple by just the name or its existence alone. That's all; I've never heard of the ROKR E1 until your initial comment. Steel1943 (talk) 02:23, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep the usage stats provided shows that over the course of a year, this gets nearly 2 hits per month, which is a lot. Many articles don't get that kind of traffic -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 04:53, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Section is missing from the target article. In addition, there seems to be no explanation of the topic of these redirects, which seems to be the reason why the word "fish" or "fishes" is used for the plural form of the target subject. My first thought was to refine these redirect to Fish#Etymology, but such an explanation of these redirects' subject is not explained in that section either. Unless there are some kind of alternative target explaining the English plural form of the target subject, probably delete these. Steel1943 (talk) 19:17, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator follow-up/related comment: I just found Fishery#The term fish, a section that is obviously located in the wrong article and probably should be removed or moved to Fish. (At this time, I don't consider this a retargeting option.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:22, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment No opinion on keeping or deleting; my interest was procedural. The G8 was inappropriate because its target hadn't been deleted — this application of G8 is meant for when someone redirects a page to a target that has never existed, or for when you're cleaning up redirects to a page that's now been deleted. The target exists, so the redirect is ineligible for G8 right now, and the target's existed continuously since 2007, so the redirect has always been ineligible for G8. The deletion of a different redirect is utterly irrelevant to G8, since this isn't a redirect to the other redirect. Nyttend (talk) 20:39, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
At the time the redirect was deleted, it pointed to an article, not to a redirect. There was an intervening draftification and recreation as a redirect. So Liz was correct to delete under G8. (I also think that, if that hadn't been the case, G8 deletion is appropriate for avoided double redirects that are only from a difference in spelling, where the middle link in the chain has been validly deleted, but that's beside the point.) -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 05:02, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fisher v. United States (1946) & Fisher v. United States (1976)
Delete. The capitalization makes it clear that this is an (unmentioned at the target) title. Looking at the history, it seems to be an unreleased album, which was renamed, and then deleted for notability reasons...or something like this; it's a bit confusing. In any case, the original purpose of this redirect no longer exists, and none of the proposed targets are good matches; they're all about vaguely similar, but different topics. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:03, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Future of Earth § Climate is going to be a better target, since it actually talks about...you know...the end of life on Earth, and not varying levels of different types of sudden catastrophes, which is kind of different. However, even still, this redirect should be deleted due to the capitalization, and anyone is free to make a new one if they think it's worthwhile enough. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:43, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I thought this redirect makes sense, but I also support delete if others do not think it does. It shouldn't go back to being a DAB. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:18, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: There are multiple alternate targets suggested. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬07:35, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Not mentioned in the target article or in any other article. Was an unreferenced article that was redirected in 2014. Mika1h (talk) 07:33, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Center for a Stateless Society is no longer discussed anywhere on Wikipedia, except for being listed in a list of libertarian organizations. I would propose deleting these redirects. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aŭstriano (talk • contribs) 03:03, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Created as a redirect to the current target two years ago, but I can't see why. This sounds like a quotation of a title, but the only appearance of tenements in the article is the title of an Act of Parliament: An Act for restoring unto Murrough, alias Morgan, Earl of Insiquin, all his Honours, Manors, Lands, and Tenements, in Ireland, whereof he was in Possession on the 23th of October, 1641, or at any Time since. Since this is significantly different from the original title, I don't think it's plausible enough to retain. As well, the concluding full stop is unlikely to be included, so it's even less plausible. Nyttend (talk) 04:53, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I apologize if this is the wrong venue. The Norwegian pro-psychedelic group Emmasofia has changed it's name to Psynapse. I can't move the article to "Psynapse" because it's occupied by this redirect. What's the proper way to handle this? Prezbo (talk) 09:05, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know what defines a primary topic, but I would argue that the organization is more important than the comic book character. Prezbo (talk) 09:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have a hard time believing the comic book character is primary over the organization. At best, neither is, but I'd lean toward the org being primary. In either of those cases, the current redirect can be moved without leaving a redirect to a disambiguated title, and then the org can either be moved to the base title, or a dab page can be created at the base title. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 19:25, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Is the organization the primary topic? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬09:24, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The word "Earthen" does not appear anywhere on the target page (let alone the target section) leaving the connection unclear, nor did it appear in the version that was current when the redirect was created in 2010. In 2009 an article at this title about a Christian instrumentalist band (formed that year in Alaska) was correctly speedily deleted under A7, and google results for "Earthen Vessel" band are about a 1970s "Jesus rock" band from the midwest, which suggest that it isn't nonsense but I'm non-the-wiser about what the meaning is. All the uses I've found on Wikipedia are about earthenware, which is what I expected when I saw it in the list of titles (when researching Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 4#Earthen) and I recommend retargetting there (as a {{R avoided double redirect}} of Earthen pot). Thryduulf (talk) 10:56, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can't remember what I was thinking of when I created this, but vaguely remember going through articles for Baptist sects at one time, so I assume that I created it from some text that has since been deleted. I've got no particular background in Baptist history or culture beyond going down a Wikipedia rabbit hole a couple of years ago.
However looking up Google and this is the first hit I get for "Earthern Vessel" Baptist
Retarget to something pottery-related, either earthenware or something better if someone can think of it. This is probably a reference to 2 Corinthians 4:7 in the King James Version (see King James Only movement, which is strong in Baptist-ism), but in a broader context it's not at all a good redirect. Nyttend (talk) 06:16, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify that redirects to sections are of course fine (in this case alternative titles or spin-off media). What I meant that these kinds of [section title] of [article title]-type redirects are not appropriate. --Mika1h (talk) 19:19, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree that such redirects are inappropriate, given that the redirect targets exactly what is its title within a section of the respective target article. (Will I go out of my way to create such redirects? Absolutely not, but it definitely goes the right place.) The target section is exactly what the redirect mentions; given the content of the target section, it seems the subject of this redirect is probably not notable enough for a standalone article, so a redirect to the current target is the best we have and probably will have forever. Steel1943 (talk) 20:09, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Best way for me to respond to this is ... On RfD, you will find editors who will claim WP:PANDORA is a problem, and others who claim it's not a problem or a valid concern. In most cases, the latter camp "wins" consensus. Steel1943 (talk) 22:50, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"I just want to build a better encyclopedia." No kidding, that's why we are all here, or at least why we should be. If you feel like having WP:PANDORA more accepted, feel free to start a discussion. For me, I'm too tired of trying to argue forWP:PANDORA (your argument, which I agree with) that I'm just like ... whatever, it exists, and I'm not going to create more similar redirects. So regarding the "Sorry to disappoint you..." statement: Nope, your stance is my preferred stance, so thanks for hitting me with friendly fire. Steel1943 (talk) 00:42, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as creator. I occasionally create these when the development section is long enough. We have some articles with similar titles, including one from the same series, and it is a plausible search title, so I think it should be kept. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:39, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How is it a plausible search term opposed to hundreds if not thousands of other media articles with sourced development/production sections? Just because Oblivion's development has an article, we shouldn't create a redirect for every Elder Scrolls game. --Mika1h (talk) 22:14, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, my judge for whether I make this kind of redirect is whether there is a large, substantial amount of content about the specific topic in the article. I don't see why it's a problem. Just because this exists doesn't mean that tons of others will suddenly exist, and even if it did, I don't see why that would be a problem. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:40, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Helping with searches isn't the only purpose of redirects. Both WP:RPURPOSE and WP:NOTBROKEN make it clear that redirects to sections can be created in order to help maintain links from other articles. This redirect has a clear and natural name, and redirects to the correct location. Jruderman (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete because she isn't even mentioned in the TripleS article as Ji Seo-yeon, she is mentioned by her stage name (JiYeon) or by a different romanisation (Ji Suh-yeon). No value in keeping this redirection. orangesclub🍊04:50, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Saying "MOS:RESULT was deleted" without explaining the context is somewhat misleading. What happened with it was its creator, SMcCandlish, created MOS:RESULT and then about a minute later, moved it without redirect to MOS:MILRESULTMOS:MILRESULT. In addition, if anything, in the "Wikipedia:" and "MOS:" namespaces, "ambiguous" is better served with a disambiguation page (provided the redirect is not too old and frequently linked). Steel1943 (talk) 15:34, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:RESULT is definitely too ambiguous, and we should not be redirecting unclear WP:-namespace shortcuts to MoS sections. It would be better to make an internal disambiguation page, including MOS:MILRESULT and various other pages that have "result[s]" in their name or which tally the results of processes or catalogue common results of recurrent debates, and whatever else someone might be looking for when they take a stab at "WP:RESULT". Send WP:RESULTS to same place. — SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 20:22, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The phrase refers to the two countries, wouldn't make sense to group an island and a country. "Ireland" here refers to just the country of Ireland. Both countries cover almost all of the British Isles. So don't see it as confusing. Plus "United Kingdom" is not a synonym for "Great Britain" either. DankJae19:15, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Hop is a TV series Marc Brown created, and its article is currently a draft, explaining the redirect. It should get more updates later down the line. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 06:08, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The word "merde" is not a language other than English. It is (also) the English language. It is a very real loanword in English. wikt:merde#English. Loanwords within English are not words of a language other than English. The referenced explanatory essay gives serviette as an example of an acceptable "apparently foreign word". Merde is vastly more understandable than serviette. —Alalch E.21:27, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"serviette" is widely used in BrE, although not in AmE, so is perhaps not the best example to go by. I do question the extent that this is actually a loanword and not merely a well known foreign word, too. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:31, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Either retarget to Break a leg#Alternative terms where it's mentioned thus, or delete to aid searching. The current target (shit) is a bad choice -- that article's about (surprise surprise) the english word "shit". "Merde" is unmentioned there and is not the topic of the article, despite sharing some overlapping meaning/usage. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:23, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose "retarget to Profanity" since there is substantial precedence to not retarget examples of a subject to its parent subject in this manner. (A few years ago, I initiated a rather large RfD of redirects pointing towards Profanity, and I believe the result[s] of the discussion[s] was either "delete" or "retarget somewhere else". If I find the discussion[s], I will provide [a] link[s] to it.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:26, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It is listed in OED as synonymous with shit[1] and several others suggest it means excrement or similar.[2][3][4]Profanity is too broad, as its meaning aligns very closely with shit. If we had an article on French profanity that discussed this term, that would be an appropriate redirect.--MYCETEAE 🍄🟫—talk00:13, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Even if it's completely synonymous (and I do question the extent to which this is even English, despite the cites...even the attestations at those dictionaries all seem to be simply using it as a foreign word), it doesn't matter, because the article "shit" isn't about shit, the stuff...it's about shit, the word, which is completely unrelated to merde, the word. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:51, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think retargetting to break a leg is a very good idea, as it seems quite surprising. Its use as a swear word is primary over its use among dancers and some actors, based on my searches. Cremastra (talk) 19:15, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Problem is that the target page is a disambiguation page, and "1" is not a punctuation and/or capitalization variation of "1.1", meaning the latter targeting the former is unhelpful and almost nonsense. Steel1943 (talk) 03:35, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep/retarget – This is a relatively common format for referring to season 1, episode 1 (which would be episode 1 for the entire series, hence a keep). A retarget to series premiere would also accurately reflect the term's usage. Strongly oppose moving the Secret Diary of a Call Girl article over the redirect – a quick search will reveal a range of sources using the phrase to discuss a range of shows, sometimes as shorthand and sometimes as an "official" title when an episode doesn't really have a specific title; I am not convinced the one show for which someone happened to write an article with that title is anywhere near the primary topic for the term. RunningTiger123 (talk) 03:32, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The middle name was a hoax that was removed from the article. The redirect, however, remains (made by a different person than the person who introduced the hoax). No source uses this name. PARAKANYAA (talk) 05:11, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I was expecting this to lead to Main page (disambiguation) (which does link to the current target). I would have boldly retargetted there, as home pages are not the only type of main page, but (apart from short-lived vandalism in 2016 and 2024) it has been stable since creation in 2014. Obviously singular and plural usually lead to the same content, but I don't think targetting the Main Page would be helpful here. Thryduulf (talk) 02:35, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or retarget. This isn't a typo (likely or otherwise) nor is it a misspelling (despite being tagged as such). It is a {{R from modification}}, but it isn't a useful way of navigating to the main page (the searcher isn't looking for information about the main page). I wondered about retargetting to Main page (disambiguation) as that's where we have links to articles about main pages that aren't the English Wikipedia Main Page (although there is a link there too) and thus closer to the search term but I'm not certain. At present I'd be equally happy with deletion or retargetting, but that might change. Thryduulf (talk) 02:28, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Should be deleted. The target section, #CF, does not exist, and, what's more, the term ("Cloud First") is an industry term referring to a posture or strategic approach to internet deployment, and associating it with a particular company is misleading at best. Autrui (talk) 00:24, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The redirect should be deleted as the article on Accenture does not even mention the concept either. I also agree with the above mentioned reasons. Swirlymarigold (talk) 21:44, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Son of a former representative who was a state representative himself. I think this is better as a red link to encourage creation Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 19:01, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've been following because I am curious about the outcome. Seems a reasonable redirect to me. No one is precluded from starting an entry on the subject (as I did in draftspace). Whether leaving something as a redlink is superior encouragement to create the article rather than linking to an article where the subject is noted is an interesting question. But our goal is to serve our readers as best we can with what info we have. FloridaArmy (talk) 17:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sinai option, one of many proposed "Israeli–Palestinian conflict solutions", was created at the redirect title in 2023, and moved recently by @Lionel Messi Lover. Despite the long history, I think this still should not be pointed directly at any one solution, given both the plural and the fact that this elevates this particular proposal (not, I think, a particularly prominent one) above others. I think this should be a disambig page, though if there exists a good overview page that would make a good alterative target as well. Israeli–Palestinian peace process is the closest I've found, but it isn't very well suited in my opinion. Rusalkii (talk) 01:25, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: There is support to retarget to Israeli–Palestinian peace process, and I would have closed this, but what prompted me to relist was the nom's words that this target .. isn't very well suited in my opinion. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬11:24, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support relisting to Israeli-Palestinian peace process, but I think the page merits an article of its own right. However, it will take time to develop this redirect into its own article. This redirect is a violation of WP:NPOV since it seems like Wikipedia is advocating for the Sinai option. Therefore, I think it should be redirected quite hastily and then developed into an article later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Easternsahara (talk • contribs) 23:50, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: This discussion somehow got left behind on the April 13 log page even though that log page was supposed to be cleared months ago. Bringing it back into the fold. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, * Pppery *it has begun...17:17, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as ambiguous. Most of my (personalised) results relate to a storm that affected north east England in June 2012, but on the first two pages there are also hits related to Hurricane Sandy, a storm impacting north east Scotland in November 2012 and a storm impacting Cheboygan County, Michigan that December. Thryduulf (talk) 12:20, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as ambiguous. I wish people would stop creating year-based redirects for weather events with no geographical qualifiers; almost every major weather event happens more than once in any given year. Carguychris (talk) 17:32, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. It's a pointless redirect that nobody literate enough to use Wikipedia will need to use in order to find the page for the U.S. federal government. RandFreeman (talk) 08:26, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
█████. It's nearly invisible. It was a lapse into mild humor.
I half made up the term. I searched for it here, half-expecting to find it here. It wasn't, so I added it. I Googled today for "feral gummint" and I see 350 hits (only 1 from Wikipedia and no mirrors), most referring to the US, but some referring to other federal governments such as Australia and Canada. Example: "Oh great.. the Feral Gummint has a part to play to play in this.."
I wonder how anyone noticed it. (Maybe browsing "What links here" from [Federal government of the United States], with "Hide links" enabled? Maybe browsing "User contributions for A876" with "Only show edits that are page creations" enabled, clicking "500" and then "Next 500" to reach my very first additions, and then finally noticing this the 30th one from the bottom?).
I wonder how many people noticed it before someone sought to kill it off. (I have nominated even-more-pointless redirects from absurdly improbable misspellings for deletion, and somehow absurdly got turned down.) In 2007, Wikipedia in several ways "was" The Onion. No need to be sad about it. Often Wikipedia seems much better than it was; sometimes it seems hopeless.
(I recall noticing a comical fictitious entry in the index of a college textbook. I think it said "Humor, sick" and it referred indirectly to the stylish new out-of-sequence info boxes that someone had forced the editors to tediously add to many pages.)
==See also==
• Gummint (not "created" by me, but mentioned in my edit comment upon "creating" Feral gummint on 2007-08-17)
I didn't find USF&G in my searching, but that can be included in the hatnote as well, we shouldn't take people to a dab page when there is a clear primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 22:22, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
List of Divisions of the Netherlands in World War II
This actor played in several other films and not only Elio. Elio is probably the most popular one, but it's still not a good reason to redirect. It's better to have it as a red link. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 01:31, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Untied Sates" manages to have two typos in the first two words, delete this one as implausible. Weak keep for the others as this is (as far as I know) the largest direct armed confrontation between the two nations, although recentism might come into play in my assessment and I wouldn't be strongly against retargeting them to the more general article. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 19:41, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Damn I put a type in one of those, my bad. Delete that and the other with spelling error. As for the other two, I think disambiguation could be useful here based on other examples, it's not quite accurate for relations, nor ideal for current target. CNC (talk) 21:07, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete we don’t call Afghanistan war the Afghan-United Sates war, same with the Korean, Iraq, Vietnam. It’s about the region and where the conflict is fought. Doremon764 (talk) 01:30, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
unmentioned in the target, and seems to primarily refer to kasa-obake. however, the name on its own isn't mentioned there either, only as parts of alternative names for it. results for "から傘" gave a mix of both, and results for "唐傘" were a mishmash of umbrellas, yōkai, and netflix series i haven't heard of (which only actually narrows it down to "not kill la kill"). should it just be retargeted to kasa-obake over the romanized spelling's primary association with the yōkai? consarn(grave)(obituary)18:39, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
should also add that it did previously target kasa-obake, but was retargeted in 2011 with no explanation. pinging @Cold Season in case they still remember why. idk, maybe results were different back then consarn(grave)(obituary)18:41, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Refine the second per Ninixed. Don't refine the first - per that page "Bomberos is the name given to firefighters in most Spanish-speaking countries" so pointing to a Chile-specific section would be inappropriate. Thryduulf (talk) 02:05, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the first and refine the second. Indeed, bombero simply means 'firefighter' in Spanish. Since firefighters have no special relevance to Spanish-speaking countries (vs. every where else), and since they have no special relevance to Chile (vs. every other Spanish-speaking country), neither the current redirect nor the refinement is appropriate for bomberos.--MYCETEAE 🍄🟫—talk22:31, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both. I was under the impression that the term bombero(s) was Chilean, but as Myceteae points out, it is simply Spanish for firefighter. I don't think it makes sense to delete Bomberos and keep Bomberos (Chilean firefighters), which is disambiguating from the former. I don't see any meaningful links to the latter either, so it's most likely not a useful redirect. 9ninety (talk) 13:58, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also, it hasn't been correctly used in at least a year near as I can tell. 15 of the 16 correct uses of that subcriterion that I found used {{db-afc}}, and the last {{db-G13}}. I did notice it, in passing, on a handful of other pages, mostly on ones that still qualify for speedy deletion since they had {{AfC submission}} too. —Cryptic23:41, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. While there's no longer any special provision for the deletion of blank drafts, they're still eligible for G13 deletion provided they haven't been edited in six months. Note that I am opposed to deprecating for this very reason, and would prefer deletion over a "compromise" deprecation solution. --Tavix(talk)16:13, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
{{db-blankdraft}} covered a very specific subset of blank drafts. I don't think this redirect, whose name is specific to blank drafts, is useful, considering that the target SD template doesn't distinguish betweet blank and non-blank drafts. On the other hand, I think keeping this redirects leaves a potential for confusion with its old usage. Janhrach (talk) 13:39, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: To give consideration to the late "keep" vote. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 16:57, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – keeping it as a redirect template might give the impression that there is a special status for blank drafts, rather than them being covered as part of the more general {{db-g13}}. The fact that they are still eligible for G13 doesn't convince me as an argument to keep a specific redirect, especially since the template that previously existed there had a broader scope than the current redirect. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:32, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, whilst university colleges are usually distinct from universities University college (Scandinavia) is pretty much dedicated to explaining the differences and similarities between 'university' and 'university college' in the Scandinavian context, making this a very suitable retarget. Katiedevi (talk) 15:40, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: One more try... Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 16:57, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Could also refer to his father who was also known around the same time as Murchison Jr. Murchison Jr. was best known for being the founder of the Dallas Cowboys, but his father was also well known in the 60s. Murchison Sr. was noted during the time of the JFK Assassination and Madeleine Duncan Brown (An advertising executive) had claimed to have been present at a party at the Dallas home of Clint Murchison on the evening prior to the assassination of John F. Kennedy that was attended by Lyndon B. Johnson as well as other famous, wealthy, and powerful individuals including, J. Edgar Hoover, Richard Nixon, H. L. Hunt, George Brown, and John McCloy. P.S I did get this last part almost mostly from the article Madeleine Duncan Brown. But back to the point, I would suggest to Dabify. P.S. I restarted this in order to notify people about it, but unfortunately I couldn't. If someone could help me list it in discussion categories for ones related to Texas, Oil, American Football, Dallas Cowboys and Business, that would be very helpful. Thank you Servite et contribuere (talk) 07:12, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This certainly seems like it should be a dab page rather than a redirect, unless Jr. is so much more prominent than Sr. that Jr. is WP:PRIMARY. But even so, there should then be a hatnote on Jr.'s page. Rlendog (talk) 14:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't aware of those Sqrt redirects. They are clearly not "necessary", yet are among the kinds of things we keep just because someone might possibly invoke them at some point. There are a ton of miscapitalized redirects that we keep around even though they do a lot of actual harm by showing up in the Visual Editor popup that invites people to link them. I'd say if we're keeping objectively harmful redirects, why not keep the potentially useful ones, too? Dicklyon (talk) 05:40, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Excuse me what? I have to call bullshit on this one. If someone so badly needs to know what the square roots of 4 or 9 are and can't figure it out some other way, they should go to our article on the square root itself, not to the specific value they type in. This also doesn't really address the "WP isn't a calculator" argument -- why stop here? Why not Square root of 2209 -> 47 (number)? Or 1+(2*3) -> 7? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 13:30, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all. I was going to write a couple sentences, but they would have been almost identical to the nomination statement. I don't buy the argument that a sequence of titles has to be complete if anything in that sequence is sufficiently different, as is the case here. As a side note, I'd also advocate deletion of all of the "Sqrtn" redirects as malformed and useless (and all recently created). 35.139.154.158 (talk) 13:30, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Is it possible to have articles on the square root of four and square root of nine that are distinct from the numbers 2 and 3?" Is it possible? Of course, in the sense that it's also possible to have an article on the cheeto I found in my bathtub this morning. Is it realistic or even a good idea? No. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:10, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It was an inane answer to an inane question, but the point I was making was completely serious. "We probably should have articles on Square root of 8 and Square root of 10." No, we probably shouldn't; we probably shouldn't even have articles for 6 and 7 either, but I don't have the stomach to start AFDs on those. "The only difference with 4 and 9 is that the square roots are whole numbers." That's a pretty big goddamn difference, don't you think? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:47, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please note that WP:CIVILITY is required to enjoy the right to edit here. It is part of the terms of service that you agree to abide to every time you click "Publish changes" for an edit. BD2412T16:23, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all. These redirects are more likely to confuse than clarify. Articles are better served by linking to Square root. Clicking on a link for Square root of 4 but ending up on a page about a different number (2) without an explanation may be disorienting. Brigandeur (talk) 00:23, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is disorienting as a link from an article. Searching for random terms is a different usage. Should redirects be used as context-less repositories of facts, like a Jeopardy bot? For example, I wonder who the current King of England is. If I search for that term, I get redirected to the topic of the Monarchy, not the person currently holding that title. Brigandeur (talk) 06:48, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your argument is flawed. The King of England is a temporary position and is therefore subject to change. On the other hand, the square root of any number will remain constant. It’s like comparing apples to oranges. --Plantman (talk) 07:13, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Whether a topic has a temporal component is not relevant here. I am comparing linking to a concept and linking to a specific instance. The square root of four is both constantly a square root and equal to two. My argument is that in a hypothetical discussion where the square root of four comes up, the relevant topic to link to would be the concept of a square root. Linking instead to two by way of a redirect from "square root of four" comes off as both obfuscatory and condescending. Brigandeur (talk) 02:32, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all (and promote Draft:Square root of 4 to mainspace), and add content to the target articles about the phenomenon of their being the square roots of the smallest numbers to have whole number square roots. BD2412T14:17, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps not, but it's about all I can muster when someone with over 2 million edits suggests, with a straight face apparently, a blatantly crank physics article hosted on academia.edu as evidence of notability of the square root of 10. You lecture me on civility, and yet you waste other people's time with this stuff. All after asking of the square roots of 4 and 9 could host their own articles separate from our articles on 2 and 3. And then you go on to suggest that a nothing "property" be added to the articles on 4 and 9, which both already mention (the second in passing) that these are square numbers, which is the same thing. Come on. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:57, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You have misread my proposal. I suggested to add something to the target articles (in this discussion, the redirect targets, 2 and 3) indicating that they are, respectively, the square roots of the smallest even and odd numbers to have whole number square roots. BD2412T02:27, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
First, that's simply not true, and second, those articles already say that they're perfect squares, which is the exact same thing as having a whole number square root. And before you proclaim "oho! then redirect them there!", no, for the reasons already stated by me and Brigandeur. I also misread nothing of the sort, you asked, point blank:
The chance that someone is going to invoke a redirect with such an obscure character is roughly zero. Yet they're harmless. So why bother? Dicklyon (talk) 05:45, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
They may be harmless from a reader's perspective, but from an editor's perspective they create the impression that there is a pattern that should be followed and that more such redirects should be created (see "That was the same reason I created Square root of 9" above). Should we bother to to create them, or clean these up and move on? Brigandeur (talk) 09:59, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I feel as though redirecting these articles will lead to more debate and a domino effect. If "sqrt4" leading to "2" isn't okay for WP, then what making "2^2" redirecting to "4" okay? Why does "sqrt(-1)" redirect to "Imaginary unit"? "10^6" to "1,000,000"? Where does Wikipedia draw the line? Why not have all "derivative of n" articles redirect to 0? It seems a bit contradictory. MontanaMako (talk) 22:20, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Redirects are cheap. Square root of 4 is a plausible search term or wikilink, and is unambiguously the same number as 2. It should not be a separate article, but some part of Draft:Square root of 4 could plausibly be merged into a section of 2 and the redirect could point at the section. Inre the nomination's "deleted for similar reasons in a 2019 RfD" it should be noted that there was a nominator urging deletion, one "weak delete", one person who retracted their vote, and one comment; there wasn't enough discussion to draw any meaningful conclusions about interested Wikipedians' general consensus. –jacobolus(t)03:23, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@ComplexRational: Do you have any thoughts on what in the draft should be integrated into the article? 2 is surprisingly sparse as is, as an article on one of the most important numbers. BD2412T23:20, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps a couple of sentences about squares, root rectangles and trigonometric rectangles are worth merging. But the rest could easily be written about the square root of any integer (e.g., continued fractions, terminating decimal expansions, standard deviations) by merely copying, pasting, and changing the numbers – in other words, nothing special to the number 2. Complex/Rational01:06, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify, a reader who might plausibly search for "square root of n" is most likely looking for explanation and instruction on the meaning of the operation and its calculation. They are not served by being blankly redirected to the result without any explanation. The only vaguely related explanation would be found Square root, so that is the only plausibly acceptable target, though barely, so I would favour deletion rather than retargeting. The redirects are also misleading, since -2 and -3 are also the square root of 4 and 9. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Paul 012: Would it change the calculation if there was content at the target articles describing their function as the positive square roots of the redirected numbers? BD2412T03:07, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure what calculation you meant; did you perhaps mean to ask if it would change my opinion? If direct mentions at the targets are added, then I guess I'll have to (grudgingly) accept the redirects. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:50, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I just noticed that Square root of 4 has history, though that only lasted three days. Not sure if restoring the article and nominating at AfD instead would lead to any better informed outcome. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:50, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have restored the previously deleted content under the redirect for discussion. I believe that this is the most complete version. BD2412T16:59, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: One more try... Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 16:48, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all as ambiguous- the square roots of 4 are both 2 and -2. This makes them harmful as not factually correct. And if someone wants to know square roots they should use a calculator or search engine, not am encyclopedia. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Anti-Israel protests on university campuses in the United States
Disambig. This is a plausible search term for multiple targets so we should disambiguate, not leave the reader hunting through search results (which may be several clicks/taps away) that may or may not contain the article they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 20:49, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Retarget to just Gaza war protests in the United States rather than Gaza war protests in the United States#Universities specifically. The latter is a subsection of the "Responses" section, and is in fact specifically about the responses to the protests and not the protests themselves, so is definitely unsuitable. The protests themselves are covered geographically, with no single subsection that covers universities, so there's no obvious better subsection target. I'm not sure 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses and 2025 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses are helpful disambiguation options since they're essentially sub-articles of Gaza war protests in the United States - in other words, everything in them is more generally covered there, and I think if people were looking for year-specific details they'd include a year. But if there are any articles that substantially cover anti-Israel campus protests that weren't in the context of the Gaza War, e.g. any prior to 2023, I'd support disambiguating with those. -Elmer Clark (talk) 03:57, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unrefine per Elmer, and do not disambiguate per Cremastra. #Universities is a #Responses sub-section and not appropriate. #Pro-Palestinian_protests_on_university_campuses, a sub-section of #National, is more appropriate than the current, but unfair to the other state sections. Jay 💬10:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Filmi appears to be music in Indian cinema in general, whereas Hindi film music is only one part of Indian cinema. Filmi devotional songs too talks only about Hindi songs. Filmi qawwali includes Pakistan and Bangladesh as well, while Filmi pop appears to be Pakistan-specific. Apart from the redirects needing to be consistent, should we also make one of these a disambiguation page, in case Filmi is not seen as the WP:BCA umbrella topic? Jay 💬10:40, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Thoughts on the nom's proposal? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoristalk!09:15, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Filmi music and Filmi song. Remove Filmi songs since you rightly point out that 'Filmi' refers to Indian cinema in general. I'm not sure a disambiguation page is necessary. It may be more useful to update the pages you have mentioned to be more inclusive, but I am open to discussion. Katiedevi (talk) 15:39, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
RetargetFilmi Songs to Filmi, KeepFilmi song and Filmi music targeted as they are. I agree that there seems to be an issue with Filmi's coverage being limited to India while articles like Filmi qawwali making it clear that "filmi" is not in fact India-specific. But I think it's clear the same concept is being described and this is just an issue of inadequate coverage in Filmi. I don't see the need for a DAB. -Elmer Clark (talk) 04:38, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Several variants suggested here, thoughts? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 20:22, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: One more try... in an effort to avoid a "no consensus" close... Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 16:45, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Target all at Filmi per Elmer Clark. Songs that are simply used in a Hindi film are not quite the same as those that were made specifically for Indian cinema. Paprikaiser (talk) 21:26, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, look, it's a WP:NEELIX redirect. InureInure also points to Desensitization (psychology), but it was a Wiktionary redirect before it was retargeted by Neelix. There's more information on Wikidata than there is here, so I think a Wiktionary redirect would be appropriate. Normally, I'd suggest consolidating the Wiktionary redirects at a single title, but wikt:inure and wikt:inurement are different enough to deserve individual redirects. That's a roundabout way of saying that I'd support a soft redirect of Inurement to wikt:inurement and a revert of Neelix's edit on Inure. - Eureka Lott07:00, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not mentioned at target. Unless someone can add a source for it or add this player on the squad list at the squad section, just delete unless the player is actually mentioned. Servite et contribuere (talk) 12:55, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete people change or leave teams all the time, so redirecting to the team will become meaningless if/when he leaves that team, as he'll no longer be mentioned there. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:30, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
let's try this again!! "polypifer" refers to organisms formed from polyps, which is a list that only happens to include coral. there was a discussion about this before (see here), but it just kind of went nowhere. still no opinion on the plausibility of the second redirect consarn(grave)(obituary)12:21, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
will add, though, that the term used to be mentioned in the current target... but only in passing as part of an image's caption. it's not mentioned there or in polyp (zoology) anymore ( °Д °;) consarn(grave)(obituary)12:23, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
admittedly, i kind of oppose retargeting to the dab, as it seems the term only refers to living organisms with that funny shape (y'know, hence polyp (zoology)). that aside, it seems this and other results related to richard dawkins have been recently overcome with slop of ai variety, which isn't related to this discussion, but is a bummer nonetheless :c consarn(grave)(obituary)17:51, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Just because it's written like that on the poster doesn't mean that someone's going to type it in like that. And even if they did and the redirect didn't exist, they'd get sent to the same place anyway, because the search function will match differing case when it can. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:08, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this gets 3 page views a month on average suggesting that no one is actually typing this. All the links to the redirect are in project space. If someone is linking 'SHRek' in an article the link should be corrected to use proper English orthography. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:20, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This may be helpful as a search term, but that doesn't outweigh the fact that this should never be used. I should also mention that this was previously deleted (technically not kept after a move) following a TfD. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 02:53, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your concern can be resolved with a WP:BOTREQ if necessary to bypass incoming redirects. Redirects are primarily utilized as search terms, and one cannot expect readers to know all the "secret handshakes" of titling conventions we use in various namespaces. Steel1943 (talk) 14:39, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Retarget{{R protected}}. I'm going to disagree that this is helpful as a search term as it stands. Sending people looking for a template to a "behind the scenes"/"core" template that is not actually supposed to be used and where the only documentation is "you're in the wrong place, go look somewhere else" does not strike me as a useful result. Retargeting to {{R protected}} seems like a reasonable option to me, that way any attempts at using this template will actually work, and I don't agree with the nom that it wouldn't make sense. All the protection padlock templates (e.g. {{pp-semi}}) are redirects to {{Protection padlock}}, which automatically detects the protection level. 86.23.87.13012:45, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It's written as "semi-protected", which is how the protection term is spelled. Definitely useful for those who try to look for the template. 1isall (talk/contribs) 17:13, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(nominator comment) I was unaware there is precedent for pages like {{pp-semi}}, in which case I am more than happy to retarget this to {{R protected}} per 86.23.87.130. I still hold my belief that keeping this current redirect is not helpful, as it cannot handle cases where protection levels are changed. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 02:43, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and fix the calls. The titles are not interchangeable and thus instead the redirects using this template should be fixed rather than this template redirect retargeted. Aasim (話す) 02:57, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As best I can tell, the only connection is that a very non-notable Icelandic band named "Katla" might have a song called "Kilma" but I'm not certain of that. All uses of "Kilma" I can find on en.wp are as given name (Kilma S. Lattin is the only one with an article at present, but he doesn't seem to be referred to by his given name alone particularly) or partial title match for the 1976 film "Kilma, Queen of the Amazons" that we don't have an article on (I have not investigated whether we should). Thryduulf (talk) 11:15, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Notified of this discussion at the target talk page and the talk page of Katla (volcano) as the redirect creation summary said create redirect for misspelling of volcano. However external searches see it more of a misspelling of an Indonesian volcano, Hawaiian volcano, and the base word for Kilimanjaro. Jay 💬05:19, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This has some history. It was originally created as an article in 2006 and promptly merged to Yahoo. It is mentioned at List of Yahoo-owned sites and services, which was split from the Yahoo article. It was restarted as an article in 2007 and lasted until 2016, when it was redirected to Automattic, where it was previously mentioned before being removed with this edit in 2024. 9ninety (talk) 15:50, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment if this is a useful redirect, then yes, a retarget is probably in order. But I note that it has 19 page views in the last 90 days, and never more than 2 on any day. Those views may have occurred simply because the redirect exists and pops up when people type something similar in the search window. So it may be worth considering whether anyone actually uses this exact phrase as a search term; it doesn't look like a probable formulation to me. P Aculeius (talk) 12:01, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete per WP:FORRED (it does refer to buddha as a Chinese/Japanese character) and low pageview, but would support soft retarget to Wiktionary:仏 as an alternative, since it's a less common concept/more unusual character — 🪫Volatile 📲T | ⌨️C07:10, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep No harm and completely unambiguous. I wouldn't necessarily create this redirect, but I don't see an issue with its existence now that it does. Casablanca 🪨(T)13:53, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I looked more into the page history and this was the original title it was at, so I think that is an even stronger argument for keep. Casablanca 🪨(T)13:54, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:UNNATURAL. The move was done 3 minutes after creation, so that's not a valid excuse. Just delete useless redirects and be done with it. This isn't helping anyone and its existence just wastes the time of editors that look after redirects, which is harm. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 05:49, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirects exist for the readers, not the redirect wikignomes. ALLCAPS and all-miniscule are very commonly found out in the wild, where people don't particularly take care to capitalize properly, or prefer one style or another; or whose system defaults to one or the other style, ignoring capitalizations. -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 23:09, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But this isn't reasonably helpful for readers. All caps isn't something that's used normally. And the kicker is, if you enter an all-caps (or any random mixture of casing) title in the normal search box, it already takes you to a matching page if there is one! There's absolutely no need for the redirect. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 03:02, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Redirects do, indeed, exist for the readers. The thing is...this would be more worth keeping if it was misspelled, instead of just being all caps. In that case, it would indicate it was a plausible misspelling, having happened at least once. In this case, if you type the name into the 'search' box, it pops up at the "correct" title regardless of caps; most people won't be typing it into the address bar, and those who do will (almost certainly) be "properly" capitalizing it. Basically, this is a completely pointless redirect. - The BushrangerOne ping only03:03, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Wouldn't have bothered nominating it because redirects like these do no real harm, but they also don't help at all without a case-sensitive search so their existence is entirely pointless, and if someone bothered to nominate one then I don't see why not get rid of it. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 11:24, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or delete depending on whatever everyone else ends up voting for. This vote is a wildcard in order to expedite closure. The redirect is pointless but this RFD entry to discuss it is equally pointless. I wish RFD listings were more focused on actually problematic redirects rather than being flooded with debating non-perfect ones. Keep or delete is equally fine. BugGhost🦗👻08:17, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This redirect, created in good faith, to a personal toolbox doesn't quite satisfy the high bar required for a cross-namespace redirect from projectspace. —CX Zoom[he/him](let's talk • {C•X})21:04, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It's not just for my semi-administrative work, it's for everyone. Additionally, I spent a long time on finding an open shortcut. As well, I don't want to type all that, typing 7 chars is better than 35 by a factor of five by all means.
Delete: We usually do not have shortcuts to user scripts, but we do only if the userscript is heavily used (same with shortcuts --> userspace). Considering that this is a brand new script, it is not seen by many users, it might not be used heavily, and in the end, the script would simply not be important enough to warrant a shortcut. ToadetteEdit (talk) 05:07, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep it's just a harmless shortcut; will be useful to a few people, even if it's niche. 9ninety (talk) 14:06, 17 June 2025 (UTC) Amending to delete per the IP and CX Zoom. 9ninety (talk) 04:01, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I do not agree with this reasoning. What will then stop anyone from creating a bunch of WP shortcuts to, say, personal XfD, CSD, PROD logs, etc. alongside other userspace pages? —CX Zoom[he/him](let's talk • {C•X})03:19, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is not the type of user space page that would justify a wikipedia space shortcut. @ToadetteEdit mistakenly seems to think that this page relates to a userscript or antivandalism tool, but it isn't even that - it's just links to two administrative noticeboards, the new account log, and the block log - basically just a much worse version of Wikipedia:Dashboard. 86.23.87.130 (talk) 11:15, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There's no clear target for this. Businessperson has no particularly relevant information about "American businessman". Also note that similar redirects for other countries generally don't exist. Adumbrativus (talk) 01:55, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not mentioned in target. Appears to be a restaurant featuring three of Yum's franchises in one. I think it's a meme? Does not appear to be notable enough to add to the Yum article. Rusalkii (talk) 21:50, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment These seem to be a thing, or was a thing. Googling "ken taco hut" turns up quite a bit of results. Since this is/was a Yum! triple-franchise outlet, the origin of wanting to make these redirects seems clear. I'm not sure it has to be mentioned in the article, but it seems to be clearly a subtopic, if a very minor one. The main question for me is whether this is a worthwhile search term. Pageviews on these appear to be sparse. Stefen 𝕋owers among the rest!Gab • Gruntwerk00:05, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The pageviews for 2019 Coahuila Challenger 604 Crash could have been from Bombardier Challenger 600 series which had a link, which I have just removed. Wait a few months and check again. Delete 2019 Coahuila Bombardier Challenger 604 crash. The article was at this title for only 18 minutes. Jay 💬02:09, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Meme about a smurf from the trailer of this movie, not mentioned in the target page. Possibly merits a mention (see e.g. [5][6]), in which case the redirect should be kept, but I believe the character was replaced for the actual movie. Rusalkii (talk) 19:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Which Doctors? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 06:16, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Can you show evidence of usage of "series 1" for any of those shows? If yes, add a hatnote. If no, don't add one. So long as Doctors series 1 is at the base title, it is the de facto primary topic. --Tavix(talk)14:41, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at both suggested targets. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬09:24, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If anything, this is solid evidence that Google results should not be used to determine primary topic. The first three things you list are a series that only has a single season and a couple of things that don't have articles. None of those things are useful for the question at hand. Instead of regurgitating, can you try analyzing these results? How is "series" used in this context? --Tavix(talk)19:09, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In all cases "series" is used in the plain English sense. It is not our job to say that people using "series 1" in relation to a TV programme that didn't have a series 2 is wrong, it is our job to enable people to find the content they are looking for (not the content we think they should be looking for). It is very clear that people using the search term are not looking for a single topic, but multiple different ones. I have analysed all the information available, and it all points to the same conclusion: there is no primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 10:49, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Saying "plain English" isn't helpful because 'series' has multiple uses in (plain) English. In television, series can be synonymous with the American English usage of season or it can be synonymous with program. I'm asking for your evidence because I do not believe you have analyzed your regurgitation of Google results to filter for the correct context. Better evidence would be linking to the specific results that uses "The Doctors series 1" to refer to each series in question. I also disagree with your assertion that Google results can be used to deduce what someone would be searching for in Wikipedia. Google's algorithm prioritizes giving a searcher a variety of different results; this is so a searcher doesn't have to scroll through a bunch of similar results to find a minority topic. This is not compatible with Wikipedia's preference to use primary topic. --Tavix(talk)15:40, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've presented all my evidence and explained to you my methodology and reasoning. It's now up to you to actually provide some evidence that there is actually a primary topic, rather than just repeatedly asserting I'm wrong without backing that up. Thryduulf (talk) 17:27, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not asking you to provide evidence of absence, I'm asking you to provide evidence of the primary topic you repeatedly claim exists. Thryduulf (talk) 11:11, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Eh? You've spent this entire discussion opposing the view that there is no primary topic. Either there is a primary topic or there isn't, if you reject the evidence showing there is no primary topic then (assuming you are acting in good faith) you can only be asserting that there is a primary topic. Are you commenting in good faith? Thryduulf (talk) 11:34, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have objectively demonstrated that ambiguity exists, everybody else commenting sees ambiguity exists, so I was assuming good faith that your comments were are difference in opinion regarding the presence or absence of a primary topic - it now seems that assumption was incorrect. Thryduulf (talk) 16:30, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: One more try... Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 03:23, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not mentioned at the target, useless. K1 does not apply because this should never have been an article in the first place and it has no useful history. 204.111.137.20 (talk) 03:14, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@BD2412 thanks for the ping. I'm guessing I went delete and redirect as a viable ATD but to remove the copyvio concerns. Have no objection with @Noorullah21 overwriting the redirect with a new article. There's always the risk of another AfD and I don't have the time tonight to review the sources they put forward at the AfD to see if they overcome the issues raised by those who argue not to retain. I see no one has edited it since my creation following the AfD. If my G7ing the redirect solves this, I'm happy to save you seven days. StarMississippi02:12, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. I expected this to have been created in error, but the history suggests it might have been intentional although I couldn't tell you why. This has received 7 hits in just over 6 months this year and got exactly 1 hit in the whole of last year, this is unarguably not being used. Thryduulf (talk) 23:45, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Kannada TV series and the Marathi TV series are not the same series, so this redirect does not make sense. Also, the history of the Marathi TV series article is now back at Kamali (TV serial) following a round-robin page swap. GTrang (talk) 16:24, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No comment on the deletion but would request the title be protected based on the socking attempts to create a separate page under that name. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:27, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Steel1943, I've linked to the logs below. These probably did exist in the CamelCase days.
(Also, RFD#KEEP doesn't require keeping redirects that were created in 2001 or 2002 but not ones that were created since in 2003 been around for "only" one or two decades. Redirects created in 2007, when Wikipedia's popularity exploded, are more likely to have been linked than weird little redirects from back in the day.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:05, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm happy to quote WP:RFD#KEEP all over RFD noms because Links that have existed for a significant length of time...should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them, but these are recreations of previously deleted pages.[9][10]¯\_(ツ)_/¯WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:02, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I really want to say "delete" here, but the only argument for deletion provided misses the mark; these were deleted out of process in 2006 and 2014 respectively. It's clear, as a matter of how RfD generally works, that if those out-of-process actions had not happened then these would not have been deleted here, and hence I can't bring myself to retroactively endorse them as that would be doing. * Pppery *it has begun...20:20, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Question: if the page history is so important, then why not move it to something else? The curid will stay the same after moved. Ninixed (talk) 18:09, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is a page mentioned at Wikipedia:First 100 pages, but it doesn't have any UseMod-era edits. Implausible search term. Janhrach (talk) 15:37, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Misleading / false-information redirect. This defunct publication has no connection the US Coast Guard other than as the main topic of its former coverage. It was a publication of Bright Mountain Media, whose big disclaimer read: "Neither the United States Coast Guard nor the Department of Homeland Security has officially approved, endorsed, or authorized this website." [11]. — SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 10:30, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment "United States Coast Guard News"[12] is, per the banner at the top of the page, an official website of the US Government and United States Coast Guard News does redirect to United States Coast Guard, and it's not an implausible search term for that. Other than the official news page of the US Coast Guard Academy [13] almost all my search results are for (collections of) news stories about or featuring the USCG (the Daily Mirror features prominently in my results for some reason). Hits on Wikipedia are almost exclusively in citations though, so I'm unsure how useful a search term this is. Thryduulf (talk) 10:52, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at the target. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬18:19, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: One more try. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬14:59, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Close discussion. Unclear what the nominator wants due to their nomination reading like a WP:TRAINWRECK. No opposition to this either being renominated or the nomination statement clarified. Steel1943 (talk) 17:06, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It shouldn't be a redirect. it should be its own disambiguation page, either moved from the target page (page swap) or redirecting the target page to this new disambiguation. Ninixed (talk) 04:19, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate / support moves. Disambiguation is appropriate. There is no need for separate disambiguation pages with and without the "2024"; there should just be disambiguation pages without the "2024". Adumbrativus (talk) 02:01, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Implausible search term. I second Safiel's characterization as created as a test page and then turned into an unnecessary redirect (see history). Janhrach (talk) 14:05, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I see that the page served purposes different from its current one (that is, redirects with different targets, or a sandbox page) for significant periods of time, so I think WP:RFD#KEEP #4 should not be applied here. Janhrach (talk) 14:48, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Restore article without prejudice to AfD as a contested BLAR. The content was way above the A7 threshold so there is no justification for summary deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 10:59, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody CSDed it. If you want to restore unsourced content that makes claims about living people, you can do that in your capacity as an editor, just as it was blanked by Bolelyn as an editorial decision. I don't know why you'd want to do that, though, unless you were planning on improving it (in which case, we can just speedy close this). — Rhododendritestalk \\ 14:00, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, agreeing with Boleyn's findings of a lack of sources and notability. I also note that the BLAR has not been contested, that would require someone to make an argument in favor of the article. --Tavix(talk)13:14, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominating a BLARed article at RfD is contesting the BLAR. My recommendation to restore is also an explicit contesting of the BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 20:35, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominating a redirect that has been blank-and-redirected is only a contestation of the WP:BLAR if they are in favor of restoration. If they support deletion of the underlying content, that's quite the opposite of a contestation. Rhododentries' response to you shows that they are not in favor of restoration. Your !vote also doesn't show any support for the article. It implies that it doesn't meet A7, but that's completely irrelevant to this discussion because this isn't WP:CSD. --Tavix(talk)20:46, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Presidentman: It's absolutely relevant because the purpose of this discussion is to decide what to do with the redirect, and I want to know why you want to send it to AfD. So far you haven't made a case why AfD is necessary. There is no evidence of this discussion being used as a backdoor—that usually takes the form of the same editor redirecting it and then subsequently nominating it for RfD in hopes of avoiding scrutiny. The correct procedure is being followed given that this is a redirect and it's being nominated at Redirects for Discussion. When redirects with history are nominated here, part of the process is analyzing the content to determine whether it's restorable. So, do you think the article content is worth rescuing? Have you found any evidence that the band may be notable? --Tavix(talk)20:34, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, when discussing article content, the community has established that the proper venue is AfD. Redirects for Discussion is for, well, redirects. A redirect is not an article. There is substantial precedent for returning these BLARed articles to AfD for examination. I do not see why you, and others, are intent on ignoring that precedent. Presidentmantalk · contribs (Talkback) 21:11, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see you're still ignoring my questions. You summed it up perfectly with A redirect is not an article. The proper venue for discussing articles is AfD, but—as you recognize—this is not an article. RfD is more than capable of looking at a {{R from history}} and making the examination you're asking for. Also, let me be clear: I am in favor of restoring contested WP:BLARs when they're actually contested (latest example), I am not ignoring this precedent. --Tavix(talk)21:35, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The proper venue for discussing articles is AfD, but—as you recognize—this is not an article. And yet, you insist on discussing this redirect on its merits as an article. I've made my position clear, so I won't engage further in regard to this specific redirect. But I do think perhaps a broader discussion (RfC?) should be had to gauge a wider consensus on how to deal with BLARs. Presidentmantalk · contribs (Talkback) 14:19, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, we're discussing the redirect on its merits as a redirect. In this case, the nominator's rationale is due to a lack of mention at the target which is very much a common rationale for redirects. Like all discussions where that's the case, we should be examining retargeting options (eg: there's a mention at Not So Quiet on the Western Front (album)) and whether or not a mention can be added to the target (eg: in this case, it'd be out of scope). That said, because it's a {{R with history}} we additionally have to examine the history and decide if it's worth restoring. It's a much wider question than if this were an article. As for RfCs, there was recently one where there was no consensus on what to do with BLAR's at RfD. It's a couple years old now, but Wikipedia talk:Redirects for discussion/Archive 15#BLARs at RfD is also a good discussion. --Tavix(talk)15:10, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We've been over this countless times so I'll keep it brief. Despite you continuing to assert your opinion as unarguable fact, it is very much not. The correct venue for discussing the deletion of article content is AfD and when someone explicitly states they are contesting a BLAR it is astoundingly inappropriate to claim that they are not actually contesting a BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 21:57, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand where you're getting the idea that I'm making an "unarguable fact". The fact that this is (and has been!) an argument makes that point a bit silly, no? You are claiming to have contested the BLAR, but I don't see any arguments made in favor of keeping it as an article. In case I missed it, can you please make your case? --Tavix(talk)22:21, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You are not making an unarguable fact but presenting your opinion as if it were an unarguable fact (there is a difference). I don't know where you get the idea that someone cannot contest a BLAR without sastifying you that their reasons for doing so are acceptable. I, the nominator here and Presidentman have all contested the redirection. That is more than sufficient. Thryduulf (talk) 00:00, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Based on their reply to you, Rhododendrites is not in favor of restoration (I'm pinging them in case they wish to clarify). Both yourself and Presidentman are not making arguments in favor of keeping the article—rather purely jurisdictional ones. I've asked Presidentman to clarify their position to confirm whether or not it's solely a jurisdictional argument, but the fact that he's not answering those questions sure make it seem so. Based on recent history of you not showing up when the page goes to AfD, I'm not convinced that you care about the underlying article content. That's why I'm insisting on you making such an argument (or even better, providing evidence of notability). Iff such an argument is made, I'll switch my !vote to restore because I do want to rescue salvageable article content. If not, I'll continue to oppose restorations purely based on jurisdictional arguments in an ongoing effort to preserve RfD's authority regarding redirects with history and keeping obvious deletable junk out of AfD. --Tavix(talk)00:33, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Once again, you are not the arbiter of what is and is not a valid reason to contest a BLAR, and nobody is under any obligation to WP:SATISFY you. RfD does not have jurisdiction over article content so it cannot be preserved, whether you want it to be or not. Thryduulf (talk) 17:31, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You're not the arbiter either. You've given your position on the matter and I've given mine. As always, it ends up with us going in circles which satisfies no one. No worries though, I've done the leg work myself and found sources. --Tavix(talk)17:54, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
not interested to get involved in rfd procedural debates. I found a redirect that redirected somewhere it was no longer mentioned. I looked at the old article because it came up here, and it looks like there's no sourced content worth debating. If someone wants to add citations, go for it? — Rhododendritestalk \\ 01:13, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Implausible and WP:OR redirect, as of currently no one is going to search for this term to refer to this topic (in fact, searching for "War of the Burning Skies" in Google gives results for other entirely unrelated topics). Impru20talk14:36, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This redirect has long been a redirect to Wikipedia:Mediation, an essay about dispute resolution. But it is just an essay and probably an unlikely search target. I would propose redirecting WP:M to Wikipedia:Maintenance instead, which is much more likely to be a search target and is much more important for maintaining Wikipedia than an essay about dispute resolution. RaschenTechner (talk) 12:09, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. We need to be conservative when retargetting shortcut redirects because the potential for disruption is high: once someone is familiar with where a shortcut leads they don't check every time, people who learn before and after a change thus use it with different meanings leading to confusion, and old discussions can have their meaning changed. In this case, the redirect has been stable for a very long time and has many incomming links (and an unknown number in edit summaries and an unknowable number in edit summaries); those I spot checked were all intended for the current target. Thryduulf (talk) 13:30, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per the 2 above, this would break so many links for no benefit. It is was 2004 then would be sensible to delete or retarget it, but not after so long. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:46, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete (second choice retarget to Louisiana, but do not keep, and do not dabify). Disambiguation is for when two pages could reasonably share the same title. But I don't think anyone would reasonably expect either "Louisiana" or "Los Angeles" to be abbreviated here, especially for such hyperspecific topics. If someone wants to search for this, it's not that burdensome to type out the name of the place they're looking for. Plus, we don't even have a redirect for just "Los Angeles" (and probably shouldn't, since while it's mentioned a couple times on the California page, there's nothing really dedicated to LA specifically there). 35.139.154.158 (talk) 11:36, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Lean disambiguate. My first instinct was "keep" or "delete". Los Angeles is the primary topic for LA so I'm surprised to see a preference to retarget to the Louisiana article over keeping or DAB. I can't support retargeting to Louisiana. --MYCETEAE 🍄🟫—talk20:32, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Los Angeles is the clear primary topic for LA (as evidenced by that redirect, as well as common usage: most people don't refer to states or provinces by their abbreviations). Therefore this is an {{r from avoided double redirect}} to LGBTQ rights in Los Angeles – which, uh, doesn't exist, but should. Los Angeles is briefly covered in the California article and in any case is an {{r from subtopic}}: the reader will learn we don't have a separate article on LGBTQ rights in LA and will have to scrounge what information they can or go elsewhere. Cremastra (talk) 19:28, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fully agree with IP35. Delete because of the abbreviation of a state which is ambiguous. Disambiguation was an option if we had an article about LGBT rights in Los Angeles. It makes sense to create "LGBT rights" redirects to countries, kingdoms or states. City-specific exceptions are like the article LGBTQ rights in Mexico City, where the lead says the rights are considerably more progressive than the rest of Mexico. I would have nominated the recently created LGBTQ rights in Los Angeles for deletion too, as probably the only such city-based redirect, but there is one sentence in the target: In November 2024, The Los Angeles City Council voted unanimously to make the city a "sanctuary city" for LGBTQ youth.. that can be justified, but then we may have to refine it to #Transgender_and_intersex_rights. Jay 💬11:13, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Per Wiktionary, a sleeping dictionary is "a sexual partner who also serves as a native informant or language teacher for a person visiting the region from outside". That is a general concept that probably could be explored in a Wikipedia article of its own, either of that title or something broad-concept like travel and sex. As such, I think WP:RETURNTORED applies. A redirect to Wiktionary would also be acceptable. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 14:10, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Assuming the PRODed content was accurate (it was unreferenced but plausible, although mostly how-to) then this is a specific term in relation to furnaces (google suggests it isn't limited to any one type). My first thought was "origin of fire", searching that phrase led me to The Origin of Fire, which is a 1902 Finnish cantata and I would be very surprised to land there after using this search term! Control of fire by early humans is closer to what I was thinking of but I'm not certain that's close enough? It wouldn't help people who are looking for the usage in relation to furnaces, but it is linked as "earliest fire" on Template:Human timeline and it is the primary topic when I google "first fire" -Wikipedia when I exclude partial title matches of (probably non-notable) businesses and histories of fire brigades. Thryduulf (talk) 02:18, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Another thought I just had was when earth's atmosphere could first support (sustained) fire (I vaguely recall a PBS Eons or SciShow episode about this). Google results for my vague query string suggest this was the result of the Great Oxidation Event but that article does not include the word "fire" and nor does Neoproterozoic oxygenation event linked in the hatnote. I haven't been able to think what we would title an article about this topic, and my vague searches are just leading me to articles about the (far) future - the exact opposite of what I'm looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 02:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed it would, thank you. Looking at this with (slightly) more awake eyes I'm thinking the best option here is either a set index/disambig or a redirect to Control of fire by early humans with hatnotes to Fossil record of fire and something related to the furnace/kiln sense if we have any relevant content. I'm about to add a hatnote from the former to the latter based on the History of fire redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 10:16, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I agree it’s highly ambiguous and we are just guessing with no indication readers are likely to use this term for any particular article on the site. --MYCETEAE 🍄🟫—talk22:52, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Reverting my close and relisting this per discussion with Jay at User_talk:Rusalkii#First_fire_RfD, to allow for editors to consider the merge history. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 19:17, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If we retarget there, we should add a hatnote to at least Control of fire by early humans, and I'm not opposed to doing that, but I still think a dab or set index is slightly better. I'm not in favour of deletion as search results are not helpful. Thryduulf (talk) 10:57, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The above suggested target mentions it once in passing, but it's unsourced and provides no explanation of what it actually is, so is of no use to a reader. God, I'm glad we have that information there about who's been spanked on Howard Stern's show 🙄 35.139.154.158 (talk) 03:36, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any dedicated section of terms associated with red. However, there is a similar section: Red#Idioms. I'm thinking that either the redirect should be retargeted there, or be completely deleted. 1isall (talk/contribs) 17:08, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly, "Pizza cheese" is about cheese, whereas "Cheese pizza" is about pizza, so on the face of it I'd retarget to Pizza. However, there's a properly-referenced use of "cheese pizza" at Algospeak as a coded expression for child pornography which probably shouldn't be ignored. You might argue someone searching "cheese pizza" rather than simply "pizza" might well be looking for the meaning of the coded expression. So what to do? A two-entry disambiguation page (attempted at this title recently, but reverted) might be better than a hatnote at Pizza. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:43, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Or, a stub article about a pizza sauced dough topped with cheese, with a hatnote to the coded speech topic, instead ; which could be expanded to describe various types of such pizzas, such as 3-cheese, etc. -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 21:11, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Either retarget to Pizza quattro formaggi, which is actually a cheese pizza, or delete to aid searching. Pizza itself is a bad target, as the term is unmentioned, leading a reader to wonder why they've been brought there. I'm skeptical of "algospeak" as well, since as others have pointed out, it'd be pretty surprising to those looking for the plain meaning. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 07:00, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The standard cheap slice of cheese pizza at a pizza shop would not be quattro formaggi, but just dough, sauce, mozzarella instead. So it wouldn't be the common topic of "cheese pizza" as found on a pizza joint's menu. Thus, I think, a stub list on the cheap pizza, and 4-cheese, and hatnote for algospeak would be better serving. -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 16:51, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That'd be horrendous overkill. What should anyone even searching for this expect to find? At best, we have an article about a particular type of cheese pizza, and there's really nothing else we do or should have. Shall we have an article on pepperoni pizza too, explaining that it's a pizza with pepperoni on top? (Oh hell, that's another bad redirect). Or mushroom pizza? Or Pepperoni, mushroom, and anchovy pizza? In dictionary parlance, these are sum-of-parts phrases whose meaning can be easily inferred. As opposed to, say, Hawaiian pizza, which is not. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:41, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
retarget to pizza in absence of a more specific target, with pretty strong opposition to retargeting to quattro formaggi, as that'd be like having pasta as a redirect to spaghetti: it's technically correct on a surface level, but excludes entirely too many variants of the dish. also without opposition to dabifying or listifying when (and by "when" i mean "if") there are more articles about pizzas known for their use of curdled cow juice, and to a hatnote about the yucky algospeak definition consarn(grave)(obituary)19:50, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Malapropism lists acyrologia as a synonym and there is at least some support that it is synonymous or that one is a type of the other.[15][16] These aren't the greatest sources, but maybe there should be a discussion at Talk:Malapropism about the definition or whether to add an appropriately sourced discussion of acyrologia to the article. --MYCETEAE 🍄🟫—talk15:38, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at the target and creator pages. By "similar" the nom may have been referring to the Brexit means breakfast RfD. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬13:30, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gautam Butalia closed with consensus to delete and this redirect was created very shortly after, despite having no support, by the creator, who was very disruptive and had to be taken to WP:ANI for repeatedly being disruptive at AfD. The only evidence that I can find for the existence of this person is Cosmo League 1 and Cosmo League 2, which is not WP:RS, and has him down as playing for other amateur clubs - not Woodlands Lions!
In any case, at WP:FOOTY, we don't redirect players to clubs as most players change clubs multiple times during their careers so a redirect would only cause confusion. In this case, I strongly oppose redirecting as there is not even one half-decent source to link this player to Woodlands Lions. Spiderone(Talk to Spider)12:58, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Generally speaking, redirecting to clubs is frowned upon, given that players often transfer and will play for multiple clubs across their career. GiantSnowman13:44, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The current target does not seem to be anywhere close to a primary topic; searches are showing a mixture of cooking food (which is close to the target but not the same), natural climates in deserts, and some other stuff. There's also Dry Heat (manga) (where Dry Heat currently redirects which it shouldn't per WP:MISPLACED), and some other minor uses. Either disambiguate or delete in favor of search. * Pppery *it has begun...19:21, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Stubify. I hate to argue for content creation being the outcome, but what is really needed here is a broad concept article describing what dry heat is and summarizing its applications. Normally, I'd argue for deletion to encourage article creation, but that would leave Dry Heat as the default topic for all searches, which is unsatisfactory. A disambiguation page may be an acceptable intermediate solution but there doesn't seem to be a great selection of articles that would broadly capture the various uses. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:57, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This isn’t a correct redirect. Even googling “Nile Canal” brings up something up totally different. The previous edit to this page actually said to bring it to RFD so here I am. Therefore, I say Delete. Thepharoah17 (talk) 08:33, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or convert to a disambiguation page: The Suez Canal is not connected to the Nile, so it's clearly unhelpful to redirect there. The "predecessors", which is to say the ancient/medieval canals between the Nile and the Red Sea, are covered in two articles already: Canal of the Pharaohs and Khalij (Cairo). Neither of them is really known as the "Nile Canal" to my knowledge, which is why I think deleting as too vague is fine, otherwise a DAB that links to both those articles (and any other articles that might be reasonably relevant) is also fine. R Prazeres (talk) 15:56, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Shouldn't this target the disambiguation page Fine-tuning? Seems like a more appropriate target, because this redirect is ambiguous (I added the Wiktionary link on the disambiguation page a few moments ago). Justjourney (talk | contribs) 05:17, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Contested R3, the title contains an "I" I instead of an L in "EI", making it an implausible search term. Not sure if this is a G7.... ToadetteEdit (talk) 04:48, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A national railway is an example of something that might be (but isn't always) a state-owned enterprise. Railways are mentioned a couple of times as examples, but never using this exact phrase. National Railway was a railroad planned in the USA in the 1870s and National Railways lists multiple other entities that have similar names so I don't think this is a good redirect as it stands, I'm unsure whether National Railway or National Railways would be the better target (both link to each other, but neither link to the current target). I don't support deletion as (a) this has been around since 2010 and (b) there isn't anything relevant the search engine finds that isn't the current target or listed at National Railways so search results would be unhelpful. Thryduulf (talk) 12:56, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've been thinking about this, and while I can see the connection (and have added it as a see also at National Railways) and it is probably better than the status quo, I'm not certain that it's unambiguously the correct target. Thryduulf (talk) 19:14, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
After more thinking, I'm notnow certain that I do not support railway nationalisation as the target, including for the reasons articulated by Mangoe below. Thryduulf (talk) 12:11, 21 June 2025 (UTC) incorrect word fixed Thryduulf (talk) 11:48, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to National Railways and rearrange entries there so that both National Railway and railway nationalisation are at the top of their sections. State-owned enterprise is a bad target in any case, and Ieel that someone doing this searching is more likely looking to find out about something that is a "national railway" and less likely to be looking to find out about the process of how we got nationalized railroads; and even so, there's a link to the latter on the disambiguation page. Mangoe (talk) 19:16, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Which target? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 04:22, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Since Harper is David's daughter the redirect makes sense. She may not be notable enough to have her own article, yet since many media articles make reference to her it would make sense for there to be a redirect to David Beckham#Personal life that would allow a reader to potentially find what they're looking for. Redirects are cheap and this does not appear to be doing any harm. Katiedevi (talk) 22:12, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I cannot find any evidence that he is referred to as "Fitcher" rather than "Fitch". We have one use of it at Nanking Safety Zone, but as the article elsewhere repeatedly uses "Fitch" I strongly suspect this is a mistake that should be corrected, but as I don't read Chinese I don't want to fiddle with the content without checking the source. Rusalkii (talk) 02:28, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete, while it is outside of a one-key radius (which i consider implausible), pronouncing the word does make it sound like the d is a g. Not enough to make me want to keep, but enough to not ignore. mwwvconverse∫edits01:47, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think this redirect should be deleted. It was established as an ATD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sylvia Swayne. However, Swayne is no longer listed on the primary page, as candidates on that page are removed if they lose their primary election (which Swayne did). Thus, this redirect seems unnecessary. I fail to see how it would even be helpful to someone searching "Sylvia Swayne" on Wikipedia. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 20:54, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per BottleOfChocolateMilk. An alternative could be to retarget to Democratic Party (United States) since she is a notable member of the party and those searching for her may be interested in her political role. Nevertheless, since she's not mentioned in that article either, I would prefer to delete. Katiedevi (talk) 22:32, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I agree with the nom that Infotainment is a bad target, but I'm not sure Celebrity is a good one either (although it is better, and I don't want to stand in the way of a consensus to retarget there) as it's both broader (per Steel) and narrower as only some celebrities are media personalities - Category:Media personalities has sub-categories Broadcasters, category:Commentators, category:Infotainers and category:Internet celebrities (although I don't think that last one belongs as a sub-category as very few of the subjects e.g. Category:animals on the Internet and category:webcomic creators are what I'd describe as "media personalities, that's a discussion for elsewhere though). The category has no main article, which doesn't help and I don't think it would make a good target itself. It's a sub-category of Category:Mass media people, which also lacks a main article and would be even less useful as a target for the redirects we're discussing here. Television personalities redirects to Celebrity while Radio personality is an article. I'm leaning delete for no good target, although I feel it would be better if this were a blue link - especially as there are multiple articles that use "(media personality)" as a disambiguator. Thryduulf (talk) 21:39, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The RO/DI combo is explicitly discussed in that article ("An effective combination of both RO and deionization is popular among reef aquarium keepers...") but not in Purified water#Deionization. And from discussions like [17] and [18], I get the impression that RO/DI water is considered a sort of subcategory of RO water, so even the parts of that section that don't explicitly address it might still be of interest to someone searching "RO/DI." -Elmer Clark (talk) 07:45, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom as first choice, or unrefine as second choice. If aquariums are the context for this redirect, then shouldn't Marine aquarium, which has multiple mentions, be the more appropriate (but surprising) target? Water purification would have been the best, but even there RO and DI are separate sections, and not mentioned together. Jay 💬05:55, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Outfit from the game. Not mentioned in target or anywhere else onwiki, and almost certainly too small of a detail to be mentioned. Rusalkii (talk) 18:45, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep. Redirects are cheap and this one does not seem to be causing any confusion. Someone who's played the game would likely be at least somewhat familiar with the term, it would make sense that they'd be looking for Fortnite. Nevertheless I understand the rationale to delete since there's no mention. Katiedevi (talk) 22:37, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not mentioned in target. I think this is a nickname for a part of Edmonton? The connection to the radio show is unclear to me after some googling. Rusalkii (talk) 18:41, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Technical comment If everyone thinks the current target is good, i.e. we want people searching for "WP:Blocklog" to end up at the block log special page, the technical setup shouldn't be a reason to do anything except replace the current coding with the proper {{Soft redirect}} coding. Nyttend (talk) 05:04, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The redirect Bhakt was recently created, but the correct English transliteration of the original Sanskrit term is Bhakta, which already exists as a redirect to Bhakti. Deleting this redirect avoids confusion and maintains consistency with other properly transliterated Sanskrit terms used as page titles (e.g. Yoga, Raga, Dharma, Mantra etc.). Asteramellus (talk) 12:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Bhakt (slang)#Origin. Having taken a look at Talk:Bhakti, from what I am understanding, the issue seems to be that the redirect ‘bhakt’ is spelt the same as ‘bhakt (slang)’ so it would make more sense for it to be redirected there. But I also get what CX is saying about ‘bhakt’ being associated with ‘bhakti’ because of the spelling. Makes most sense to me to redirect to Bhakt (slang)#Origin since it would take a reader to a place in the Bhakt (slang) article that makes space for both uses of the word (devotional and political). Having a redirect to Bhakt (slang) more broadly would not necessarily encompass both uses of the word and neither would a redirect to Bhakti. Katiedevi (talk) 22:54, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I strongly oppose divorcing Bhakta and Bhakt from leading to the same target, they should always point to same destination. Either transliteration can used to refer to both the concepts depending on the speaker, and the extent of schwa deletion in their language/dialect. Some examples of "Bhakt" referring to "Bhakti" in news items: [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25], [26]. Some examples of "Bhakta" referring to "Bhakt (slang)": [27] (BJP-affiliated media; remove the tilde ~ from the link, which I used to bypass link blacklist), [28], [29], [30]. Personally, I am of the opinion that Bhakti would be the WP:PTOPIC for them, and thus, both should point there. —CX Zoom[he/him](let's talk • {C•X})01:33, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If we have an article titled 'Bhakt (slang)' then it would be helpful to also have an article on the non-slang usage of the word. The concept 'bhakta' is notable enough to have its own article. So it might be worth deleting the redirect and creating an article for Bhakt. Katiedevi (talk) 23:19, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Katiedevi I was thinking about adding a disambiguous page just like Yog, Raag etc after looking at the links given by CX Zoom, but I think this suggestion makes sense - one suggestion would be to have the article for "Bhakta" (and Bhakt can redirect to Bhakta). I will start a talk on Bhakta page to discuss this further - if all are ok to discuss further there, I can withdraw this Redirect discussion. Asteramellus (talk) 01:34, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Based on what you have shared and what Katiedevi is suggesting, it seems it makes sense to go with creating article for Bhakta. I will go ahead and withdraw this redirect. Thanks for all the insights. Also want to share this link to see the usage of the two terms. Asteramellus (talk) 02:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion cannot be closed to "withdrawn" due to Katiedevi's votes (2 votes that seem to contradict each other, and neither has been WP:REDACTED yet), which are not compatible with the status quo. @Asteramellus: I'd recommend finishing what has been started here. Steel1943 (talk) 17:12, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Done - a good quality article on 'bhakta' that would allow a reader to get to both 'bhakti' and 'bhakt (slang)' seems like the best solution. Both CX Zoom and Asteramellus make valid points, a good article could satisfy both needs. Katiedevi (talk) 21:03, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I'm seeing a general consensus for creating a page for Bhakta. If/until there isn't that page I think the bhakt redirect should be deleted because it's too confusing to redirect 'bhakt' to Bhakti as bhakti is so broad compared to the specific slang usage. But if there is a Bhakta/Bhakt page, readers have a place to reach either usage, devotional or political, though it still leaves open whether to have separate pages or slang as a subsection.Swirlymarigold (talk) 20:31, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Does not make any sense at all. The pejorative use derives from religious use, as in "devotion to god" -> "devotion to Modi", and both Bhakt/Bhakta have been attested to have been used for either meaning. —CX Zoom[he/him](let's talk • {C•X})10:53, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Several articles (see "What links here") link to Tonal system with the intention of pointing towards Tonal system (Nystrom). Clicking these and being redirected to Chromatic scale just made me confused. The mentioned Nystrom page already has a hatnote that points towards the musical system.
This was just moved like this about a month ago, hence all the wrong links and backwards hatnotes...normally, this could have been listed at WP:RMTR as a request to revert an undiscussed move (I have no real opinion on this one, just wanted to point out the history). 35.139.154.158 (talk) 04:26, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Thoughts on the page history of Het route? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit14:16, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reject the redirect per nom. Take back to AfD as a 2nd nomination. The AfD was before the Gaza War. Sources and interest may now be different, and there could be a merge outcome, if not a standalone article or deletion. Jay 💬06:45, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I believe this redirect should be deleted as the μSA now encompasses 2 US counties I do not think it should remain as a redirect as the Lexington Park μSA is no longer coextensive with St. Mary's County. — Preceding unsigned comment added by I am the pootis man1 (talk • contribs) 12:57, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
delete this and consider the same for the MSA given that the target article mentions no such thing. These either need to be articles, or the targets need to describe these areas and give some history for them. Mangoe (talk) 19:33, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per EurekaLott or refine to St. Mary's County, Maryland#Core-based statistical area where it is mentioned. Just because it no longer exists does not mean people will no longer be searching for information about it - indeed the longer ago it ceased to be used the more likely it is that someone will be unfamiliar with it when viewing historical records. Thryduulf (talk) 12:12, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Presumably refers to a flying machine, but that is not mentioned in the disambig being targetted under technology. I am unsure if it can refer to something else. Should be retarget this somewhere, update the disambig or just delete? Linked from only a single new article (formerly, it was just a rough translation which I corrected). A potential better redirect target, if we want to keep this curio, could be flying machine. Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here05:31, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Factually incorrect and improper disambiguation that was erroneously created and accepted as a separate draft from Draft:Blade (upcoming film). There is no Blade film set to release this year, and the contents of this redirect's history are not worth keeping when compared to the more developed draft. Should the Blade film eventuate, that is already covered by the appropriately titled Blade (upcoming film) redirect. For reference, Blade (2025 film) no longer exists. — Trailblazer101🔥 (discuss · contribs)22:54, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neither is mentioned in the target article, leaving the connections between the redirects and the target unclear. (These are section redirects, and neither section is present in the article; content may have been removed.) Steel1943 (talk) 15:30, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
An apathetic Keep. Both are important terms and should be targets within a section that doesn't currently exist on cutting timber and the resultant shapes, and their strength. But who writes anything any more? Andy Dingley (talk) 15:56, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Lean keep or consider DAB page. As noted by Andy, all incoming links in article space are in the context of wood grain. Readers would be astonished to end up at Rice but would likely understand landing at Wood grain and may find the article useful even if it doesn't contain these sections. --MYCETEAE 🍄🟫—talk17:31, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: For those who are voting "disambiguate" ... disambiguate at what title? From what I see, these are both WP:PTMs, and even then, it would not make sense to redirect one towards the other if the "other" is made a disambiguation page. Steel1943 (talk) 19:52, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
They're both adjectives, so make it a set index of things that could be described with the adjective. Or just do an WP:IAR disambiguation page for each instead. -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 22:58, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Keep, retarget, or disambiguate, and if so where? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 19:02, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. These are ambiguous compound adjectives. No disambiguation page is appropriate because the entries would be WP:PTMs. Let Search do the work. I fixed incoming links. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:07, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It was created because it was an apparently once a common nickname for U.S. Steel. However, shouldn't this actually be an article about large Steel corporations? I think this redirect should be Blanked to encourage users to create an article about Big Steel. There is already Big Oil, and Big Tech. Surely there should be some sort of article on Big Steel. Right? Servite et contribuere (talk) 22:29, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Thoughts now that a mention has been added to the target page? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 18:46, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
delete without opposition to recreation. the extremely few sources across all previous diffs were of debatable everything, not limited to reliability, usability, and existence. the content of the diffs that weren't vandalism was also pretty promotional, so i couldn't see it sticking in mainspace for long. however, i did actually find some sources that seem to be potentially useful, so it can likely be recreated if someone's in the mood consarn(grave)(obituary)11:38, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Deletion. The target is not a synonym. It may be related, but "Buppie" is not mentioned anywhere, and neither is "yuppie", from which "buppie" is derived. GA-RT-22 (talk) 08:54, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Thoughts on the page history? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit14:12, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
An article at this title created by Burkouri was recently redirected to St. Charles, Missouri by Onel5969. I have moved the page history of the former article to Frontier Park (St. Charles, Missouri) to avoid confusion. There are a lot of parks with this name, so it doesn't seem appropriate to have a redirect to the city where just one of them is, nor to have a set index article since most of the hits I found on Wikipedia were rather run-of-the-mill. Paul_012 (talk) 14:25, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What are grounds for undoing the BLAR, unless you wish to enhance the article? If taken to AfD, it would most probably result in again redirecting to St. Charles, Missouri. Jay 💬07:29, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Gateau currently targets Layer cake, so probably should be bundled. I think it is targeted there as based (perhaps) on The French term gâteau is used for a cake in France, and in the UK it means a layer cake. being in layer cake. I think gâteau is common enough in English in names of cakes that doing something with it makes sense rather than a redlink and depending on search results? Skynxnex (talk) 14:23, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Then we might as well target both to Cake, since someone searching for "Gâteau" will probably be looking for the article about cake, not just a mention of the French word. 🌳BalsamCottonwood (talk) ✝23:24, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The target is the primary topic for these redirects. It is, by far, the most populated place of all the Readings. Sure, there are many other towns with the name, but the one in England is the primary topic for a geographical place. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:49, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The akron hammer comment Also uncommon, but sourcable.[37] Sometimes I wonder if WP:NOTDICTIONARY applies to all these semi-obscure nicknames that people want to bold in bio leads, or here, creating redirects.—Bagumba (talk) 08:20, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm somewhat against that since the title sounds more like either a WP:SIA or a WP:DABCONCEPT, both of which would be an inadequate disambiguation page. In my opinion, we should decide on a target, figure out if a WP:SIA is plausible here in a way that doesn't look like a WP:DABCONCEPT (which I believe will be the problem), overwrite the redirect with an article, or delete this thing. Steel1943 (talk) 21:43, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Rice production in Sri Lanka. Per Jruderman that is the most helpful target for readers using this plausible search term. I don't oppose a hatnote to the cuisine, but I don't regard it as a particularly likely search term for that. Thryduulf (talk) 10:17, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: We have two suggested articles to retarget to, either one seems preferable to the status quo. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!20:48, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wildly implauslbe way to search for this topic (apparently some British politician said "breakfast" instead of "brexit" once and there was a brief brouhaha over it). And even if someone searched for this like this, they'd find no information about this specific example, as they probably would have wanted. Delete with extreme prejudice. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:09, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As you can see from the previous RfDs that Steel1943 has now added, this redirect previously did make sense, as the phrase was discussed at target. The mention was then removed, but the 2024 RfD saw consensus to keep this despite that. But with respect I can't say I agree. Redirects without mention can be appropriate if their meaning is self-explanatory (e.g. a variant spelling of a name), but this phrase is a reference to something, and the target does not explain what that reference means. That makes it a false promise to our readers. Delete or restore mention. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 04:06, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per my comments in the previous discussion. I actually used the first of these redirects a couple of weeks back to find the target article when I could remember the example but not the name. A mention would be good, but that's not a prerequiste to the redirect being useful. Thryduulf (talk) 11:31, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep since before the RfD both redirects got an average of 1 view per month, but since some people find it useful that's good enough — 🪫Volatile 📲T | ⌨️C04:00, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would recommend either deleting both redirects or converting converting the first one into a disambiguation page and redirecting the second one to the new DAB page. In the article, Gacy is never referred to by his initials. GilaMonster536 (talk) 15:26, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unless there are any more appropriate targets. A quick search seems to just return a bunch of non-notable companies and such. I suspect there are other people with the same initials, but unless someone is typically known by their initials, they probably shouldn't be used as redirects or dab entries. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:04, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Updating to Retarget to Watonga Regional Airport, per Thryduulf's find below. I'd say that even if the SIA is created, the redirect should continue to point to the airport (barring any other reasonable targets found, in which case, a dab is likely fine too). 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:14, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@BD2412: Thank you for that. Disambig or retarget to Joint Working Group (Jwg should lead to the same page JWG does). I have a slight preference for retargetting, but it is slight. I do not support targetting the airport as joint working groups are by several orders of magnitude the more common, airport codes rarely are and of the three main ones IATA, ICAO and FAA the latter are almost always the least known. Thryduulf (talk) 02:57, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Thryduulf: After further researching the question and trying to find the origin of the concept of a "joint working group", I am now of the mind that the Joint Working Group stub I created should be merged into Working group. There just aren't sources about what a "joint" working group is that are in any way distinct from those for a "working group". BD2412T15:18, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Convert to a soft redirect unless the user requests deletion. This maintains the link the user wants but removes all the confusion, etc caused by a hard link. I've not looked in this case, but pretty much every previous time base user page to articlespace redirects have appeared here it has been the result of someone using their user page as a sandbox to write an article and then moving that to mainspace, those have been converted to soft redirects too. Thryduulf (talk) 11:26, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete or retarget to Seating assignment (where Reserved seating redirects) (my preference between the two has changed multiple times while writing this comment). Seating assignment is the closest encyclopaedic content that I can find, but that article is about seating in entertainment venues not other places that might have reserved or unreserved seating such as transport or governmental assemblies (Reserved seats redirects to Reserved political positions, although I'm not sure it should). There is almost certainly scope for at least a broad concept article about seat reservations in general and that would be the best target for this. Thryduulf (talk) 11:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Seating assignment per Thryduulf where General seating redirects. Although I think that and Unreserved seat should be refined to #General_admission that says it is also known as open seating or free seating. Agree with Presidentman about the expansion. Jay 💬07:39, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not mentioned in target, which is about ISO 3166-1 codes. ISO 3166-2 is for subdivisions, and no subdivisions are discussed in the target. I can't find reference to this code anywhere at all, though Google my just be failing me with the weird formatting. Rusalkii (talk) 16:54, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment this is almost certainly not a proper code as such, but a placeholder entry for when the proper value is UNKnown. Thryduulf (talk) 15:13, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: delete or keep? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Duckmather (talk) 01:38, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not mentioned in the body of the target article in this specific manner, thus making it unclear why readers would be redirected to the current target article when searching this term. I was originally going to WP:BOLDly retarget this redirect to Membrane distillation, but after reviewing that article, I'm not convinced that that article and the nominated redirect represent the same subject, especially considering that Desalination is a separate article. Steel1943 (talk) 06:36, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - reverse osmosis relies heavily on membranes, and the section #Desalination does mention membranes quite a bit. While it doesn't outright say "desalination membrane" (except in the references) it does talk about membranes in the context of desalination a lot. --Plantman (talk) 06:47, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Steel1943 I feel like either Reverse osmosis or Desalination is the best place for this to point to. I'm slightly leaning towards Desalination now, because it provides an overview of all the different uses of membranes in desalination process. That said, I wouldn't be opposed to keeping it as it is (pointing to RO) if there was a consensus to do so. --Plantman (talk) 07:00, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just wanted to say thanks Pppery for reopening this discussion. I was originally going to post a message on the closer's talk page, but I saw they are indef blocked. (I was going to argue that in the discussion's current state, I would believe this discussion would be closed to "no consensus", "retarget", or relisted again, not closed to "keep".) Steel1943 (talk) 19:33, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at the suggested target Desalination. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬02:54, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Did a google search, and Conan O'Brien wasn't mentioned for Chip Whitley searches. Appears to be fake. It is in page history of him having to do something with the actor. Don't know if the actor is notable enough or whether this redirect is legit or is fake. The user that created this also created a fake one called Dora The Ex-Toader. I think either Delete as one option, second option would be Draftify and crate article on actor or another one would be Keep. I am honestly neutral and I should let people who know about this and what it means debate and argue. Servite et contribuere (talk) 17:46, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The talk page comment by Ardric47 asked to look at the beginning of the target article, and the redirect creator agreed. This was 7-9 July 2005, and I don't find anything on Chip Whitley at the target around this time. Whereas in October 2005, Chip Whitley was merged to the target under the O’Brien's style section. The unsourced content, even if not fake, needn't be kept as it's minor, and may have been recentism for that time. Jay 💬19:59, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
More history: The entire "Comedy and mannerisms" section (which included Chip Whitley) was moved from Conan O'Brien to Late Night with Conan O'Brien in 2006. In 2007, a vandal 207.160.40.253, removed 4 sections from Late Night with Conan O'Brien in 4 edits within one minute. Three of those were reverted immediately by three different editors, but the fourth and largest vandalism of 20,098 bytes, that included Chip Whitley, was missed by all editors. The removed content was unsourced though, so we cannot just bring it back. Jay 💬19:53, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see quite a few results for "dance drama" on this site, so I'm inclined to suggest a DAB or something similar. Seems like a reasonable enough search term that I could believe leading to the current target (given it's a direct translation of the name) or a number of other options, so some sort of list would make the most sense. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 04:19, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Only reason I didn't DAB at creation was that we didn't seem to have any articles on the other genres of dance drama. Since WP:DAB requires at least two valid target articles, I went the redirect route. If we do have articles on these other forms of dance drama, a DAB definitely makes more sense. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:43, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The one I came across that led me to find the redirect was Kakkarissi Natakam, but there are a lot of other forms of performance that use dance drama, especially Indian ones (see Dance in India), like Kuchipudi, Bhagavata Mela, etc., and there are Indonesian and Balinese ones Wayang wong and Gambuh, and others. Dance drama is a very generic term though. I'm wondering if it should target the section Dance#Theatrical, which could be expanded to include the term, mentioning some prominent examples, and also refer to Folk dance, many of which incorporate dance drama. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:00, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe leaving as a redirect, but targeting that section to provide an overview? It might be too difficult and onerous to try to list all the possible types of dance drama on a DAB, actually. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:02, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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