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I have added the dates Anna Buhigas played professional soccer in her inbox and I can't think of any additional improvements I could make since I have provided third person sources about her career. Dwanyewest (talk) 00:08, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Dwanyewest: I'm not quite sure what you mean by "third person sources", but for notability per WP:GNG, we need to see significant coverage (not just passing mentions, match reports, player stats, etc.) directly of her, in multiple secondary sources (newspapers, magazines, TV or radio programmes, etc.) that are reliable and entirely independent of her (ie. not her club or university, and not interviews or press releases or her coach commenting on her, etc.). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:35, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
07:16, 6 November 2023 review of submission by Kristinak98
Thus, I don't understand, how the draft could not be accepted, as the exact same german article I translated it from, already existed on wikipedia for a long time. Furthermore, as it is a translation, it would be wrong, if I now wrote it completely different than the german one, right?
Hi @Kristinak98: each language version of Wikipedia is completely separate, with their own policies and requirements (and the ones here on the English-language Wikipedia are probably the strictest); therefore, whether an article exists on one, says nothing about whether the same article will be accepted on another language version. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:25, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The book I am writing about won a major literary award and has sevral academic works written about and a film coming out based on it.
The reason it was declined was "There's lots of sources in google from reputable websites. Read some and write a decent article using them as sources." for which parts should I have used Google for?
It's not Google itself you should use as a source, but sources discovered with Google. The book is indeed notable- but you still need to have multiple independent reliable sources summarized in the article. You only have one source. 331dot (talk) 08:57, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why are sources I have picked arent reliable enough? To prove the books has won prized I have cited the prizes webisite. Regarding the plot sumarry I have cited an academic papper and a blog why isnt that enough?
So instead of the blog should I use the book itself as source? I have looked at many other book articles which for thep lot part dont seem to cite any sources at all. Edizengoff (talk) 11:22, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Qcne thanks for the ping. @Edizengoff The book/novel is notable, I must say, but you see that book you made reference to, it is also a notable one, and I guess nobody wants to nominate it for deletion because of it's status, that article is one of Wikipedia's problem page and we don't want this new one you're creating to become one that is why we want it at a better, or at least a good state. Doing a cursory search return quite a handful of useful materials that you can use to develop the article, a lot that I don't want to start listing, when you do the search yourself you'll find useful things on Google.
Thanks for the replay I did the Google search read the book itself and read academic papers about which I refrenced in my draft so I am trying to understand how many more sources should be added and in which parts of the article do I need to cite every part of the plot summary and find correct pages in the book? Edizengoff (talk) 11:56, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Edizengoff As a matter of fact, if you make a statement like The novel received considerable critical acclaim, by its recognition at the Irish Book Awards in 2003 and its nomination for the prestigious International Dublin Literary Award., it should be followed by a citation to a reliable source that says, without confusion, that Oh yes! the novel truely received a critical acclaim by its recognition at the Irish Book Awards in 2003... and so on. It should not be exactly what the source states though, you should write what the source says in your own words. Also, Notably, Alison Light from The Independent provided a commendable review, stating, "McGahern conjures the warmth and decency of working people without sentimentality. should be followed by a citation too, and so on.
My submission was declined. The reviewer said "close, but not enough independent, significant coverage."
I would love some more detail on what coverage is needed. I thought the references provided were enough in number from multiple independent sources. Sirius Stella (talk) 09:21, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Sirius Stella: I haven't done a source analysis, just going by what you and the reviewer said. Note that it's not enough for the sources to be numerous, or independent, they must be at once independent and reliable and secondary and provide significant coverage of the subject directly, and there must be "multiple" (which is usually interpreted as three or more) such sources. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:33, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
10:38, 6 November 2023 review of submission by 220.253.130.93
Hello, for the charts is it enough to cite the website that documents music placements, or do I need a reference to a chart position from a news source? Lastly, it looks like peacocking language was used early on but has been edited out - does there need to be any more tidying before this draft is resubmitted? 220.253.130.93 (talk) 10:38, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fairly sure you just need a source showing the chart position to establish that they've charted.
Why are sources I have picked arent reliable enough?
To prove the books has won prized I have cited the prizes webisite.
Regarding the plot sumarry I have cite an academic papper and a blog why isnt that enough? Edizengoff (talk) 11:05, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I made my first Article on Wikipedia and want to contribute more on sample cooler topic. This topic is separate from "Steam and Water Analysis System" How can I move my draft Article to Publish it for all viewers ? I can contribute more on this topic. Kindly advice ASKanetkar (talk) 13:08, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Jbobbink: routine business reporting such as M&A, financial results, appointments, opening of new locations or markets, etc. does not constitute significant coverage, and in any case is invariably based on press materials supplied by the organisation and therefore not considered independent or secondary. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:26, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Given the existence of plenty of other reporters with less accomplishments, it seems strange to have Suzanne Kianpour's career be denied and considered insignificant, especially given she's both listed in Wikipedia already under other BBC reporters with Wikipedia pages for themselves.
We don't, and you shouldn't, assess drafts by comparing them to other articles that may exist, but by determining whether they meet the relevant guidelines and policies, in this case regarding notability. If you can cite sources which satisfy the WP:GNG notability guideline, it may be possible to have an article published on this subject. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:52, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi IP editor. I rejected this as every source was WP:PRIMARY, so useless at establishing notability under WP:GNG. If you can substantially re-work the article to prove notability under those criteria, ping me on my user talk page and I will have another look. Qcne(talk)17:48, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
16:41, 6 November 2023 review of submission by 2600:1700:B880:5970:9E2:FAEA:8102:807
Draft has been rejected multiple times and need help with next steps. The page was first rejected for not enough reliable sources. I added in references to make sure the information was well-supported, but the submission was then rejected for having too many sources tied to the subject (this made sense, I did not realize that press releases by related companies were not allowed). I then reworked the page to include information only from independent news outlets and it was just rejected again. I'm a bit unsure what to do next, as I feel like I've shown that Rosen is a notable Cleveland businessman. Can you help me with exactly what next steps to take? Thank you! 2600:1700:B880:5970:9E2:FAEA:8102:807 (talk) 16:41, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I concur with the latest reviewer. Interviews, passing mentions, press releases / company announcements, routine business reporting and primary sources do not establish notability per WP:GNG. I didn't find even one source among the 18 cited that contributes to that. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:50, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
17:06, 6 November 2023 review of submission by Dkoltorcan
Hello, I try to work on the new version of my article about Bernhard Ruchti (https://en.wikipedia.orghttps://demo.azizisearch.com/lite/wikipedia/page/Draft:Bernhard_Ruchti). I understand sone of the concerns about the neutral point of view, I can easily fix this. However, I have two questions:
- About the comment that is still appearing at the top that says: "This article may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, a violation of Wikipedia's terms of use." This is not the case and I don't understand why this comment is appearing here, I have no personal relation with the person and I am not paid by him. I don't receive any incentive or anything else. What should I do (apart from the conversation I already had with your colleague) to have this sentence removed?
- About the DOB: I was told that I should prove the DOB. Usually this musicians doesn't display his full DOB online (for example on his website there is only is year of birth) but I found it in a printed program when attending one of his concerts. Can I use a printed program as source of DOB? Also, how to quote it properly so that it is considered valid for Wikipedia? For example, when I look at other musicians' Wikipedia page such as András Schiff (https://en.wikipedia.orghttps://demo.azizisearch.com/lite/wikipedia/page/Andr%C3%A1s_Schiff) there is no reference after the DOB.
Thank you for your help,
Dkoltorcan Dkoltorcan (talk) 17:06, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Dkoltorcan: regarding the DOB, I don't think you can use a concert programme as a source, because it may not be available for verification, and in any case almost certainly does not qualify as reliable.
And yes, there are inevitably some articles out there where the DOB isn't referenced, in violation of WP:BLP, but this doesn't mean we should be creating more such problems. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:20, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Dkoltorcan: forgot to address the paid-editing tag, but this has in the meantime been removed. I was just going to say that it isn't an unreasonable thing to suspect, given that you have uploaded the photo used in this draft as your 'own work', which suggests that you must have been at least once at close quarters with the subject, which in turn may imply some sort of connection. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:23, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That is because I asked him for the authorization of using his picture. I would not use it without authorization. The Wikimedia contacted him to confirm that I had the right to use his photo and he provided the necessary paperwork. Dkoltorcan (talk) 20:55, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Dkoltorcan he cannot authorize only you to use it or only Wikipedia to use it. Please see WP:Donating copyrighted materials for additional information on how the photographer can donate the photo (Bernhard Ruchti is likely not the copyright holder as generally the photographer owns the copyright). Nothing at Commons suggests this has been followed as there is no indication permission has been given. S0091 (talk) 21:11, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is already done. It was the first step. All the paperwork has been signed and there is no issue with the media. @DoubleGrazingwas asking why I downloaded the picture, I replied. This was to reply on the paid-editing tag, which is not the case. Dkoltorcan (talk) 21:41, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If you have communicated with the subject, that is a conflict of interest. Articles are typically written without any involvement from, or even the knowledge of, the subject. 331dot (talk) 23:21, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ok I see. Can you redirect me to the proper action to take then? Because it was not clear to me what to do next and where to display the fact that I asked M. Ruchti's permission to use his picture? Thank you Dkoltorcan (talk) 23:30, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have a physical hard copy of a newspaper article in English and Odia language. I want to show it as a reference to prove the authenticity of the person in the Wikipedia. How can I use this physical newspaper cutouts. Please help. Saffiulla Muhammad (talk) 18:27, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Saffiulla Muhammad authenticity is not the issue but showing the subject meets the notability guidelines. Nevertheless, you can use the "Manual" citation method and fill out all the pertinent information (author if known, publication, title, date of publication, etc.). See also WP:CITE. If you need additional help, you can ask at the Teahouse. S0091 (talk) 21:20, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
18:35, 6 November 2023 review of submission by 108.21.67.83
Can you please help me create an articles about the biography of Georgios Dritsakos as a Lieutenant General of the Hellenic Air Force, a Lieutenant Colonel and Colonel of the Hellenic Air Force, and Adjutant to the President of the Hellenic Republic Constantinos Stephanopoulos? 108.21.67.83 (talk) 18:35, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have tried to upload a well known term twice but you keep rejecting my artical. I am starting to think that you do not accept the fact that FeminISISm is real Ddllggpro (talk) 21:09, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ddllggpro, firstly a single post on social media does not make something 'real'. Secondly Wikipedia has articles about notable subjects, not ones that just exist. All new articles on Wikipedia have to show the subject is notable (See WP:N) which in most cases requires significant coverage (WP:SIGCOV) in multiple independent (WP:INDY) reliable sources (WP:RS). KylieTastic (talk) 21:13, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
22:05, 6 November 2023 review of submission by Luc1239
Helllo! My draft about the magnet school called the Academies of Loudoun. It was rejected for lacking reliable sources. I'm confused about this for two reasons, the first is that many other articles in the same category and locale use the same sources I did. For example, in an article about a high school in the same district (Independence High School in Ashburn) uses sources that came from 6 different publishers, 4 of which I also cited.
Secondly, Wikipedia's reliable sources wiki states that "Similarly, the publisher's web site is likely to be reliable for the fact that the work exists". In my article, for example, I cite the school district's website that certain courses in fact are taught at the school. I frequently cited the school district's website, but only for things that were completely factual, like the population of the school.
You need to resubmit it for review, but you haven't addressed the issues adequately yet. Please read the messages from reviewers carefully. 331dot (talk) 23:35, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
23:35, 6 November 2023 review of submission by GonetotheDawgs
This is my first attempt at creating an article, and I can't tell you how much I appreciate the fast feedback, but it looks like I'm going to need some hand holding because of my inexperience. Can you tell me if the primary weakness in the article is the references contained in the following sentences, or is it something else? Thank you!
Myrlie Evers-Williams who called the book “a treasure.”
Lee Smith has called The Queen of Palmyra "the most powerful and also the most lyrical novel about race, racism and denial in the American South since To Kill a Mockingbird," and Kirkus Reviews has described "Gwin's prose [as] profound and Faulknerian in tone." GonetotheDawgs (talk) 23:35, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Sir, The article is for a film director and given authenticate news source. Could you help me please how would be the article live as it is declined. Should i change the article formate? Looking for your kind support Dubaiali (talk) 23:46, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]