Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Images to improve/Archive/Jan 2008 Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab/Images_to_improve/Archive/Jan_2008
This page, part of the Graphics Lab Wikiproject, is an archive of requests for January 2008.
Please do not edit the contents of this page. You can submit new requests here.
Graphist opinion:
The small sections in the article seem to me to be too colour saturated, but the one you requested is definitely too flat. Based on this one, I've boosted contrast, especially within the fresco itself, to meet the small sections halfway, so to speak. How's it looking? --mikaultalk09:07, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Not really, as the contrast is already very high, which means the sort of information I recovered from the main pic has been irretrievably lost, and reducing saturation would just make them look "muddy" in comparison. --mikaultalk12:33, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Adding Iwo Jima was easy. The second map could certainly use improvement, but I don't see how to do it. The color map doesn't go far enough south to show Saipan and Tinian, and the strategic importance of being midway between there and Tokyo can't be shown. It would be best to find a new map to work from. I spent some time looking, but to no avail. Map source material is a common problem, as noted in "U.S. winter storm tracks" above. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄23:09, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Image 4 is great, brilliant, much better! Couple of requests if you could give it a Gao:
a) It's Philippines, one L, two Ps, as in Pater PatriæIt's always the one you think you should be able to spell!
5) Could you name Palau off 'C' in Caroline, (site of Peleliu battle) for context of how Iwo Jima was reached? Done
Њ) Could you name Truk off 'S' in Caroline Islands, (site of Truk lagoon battle) for context of how Iwo Jima was reached?If we're doing a current map it looks like this.
⅞) Could you help me get this stupid Gwen Stefani song out of my damn head...Yes. 1. Time travel to 1945. 2. Climb in a landing craft off Iwo Jima. 3. As soon as the bow hits the beach and the ramp drops, the song will be gone. Absolutely guaranteed.
Very cool, perfect! Can you overwrite #1 and #3 with #2 and #4? Tried the time travel thing, ended up stuck in a bulkhead, they made a movie about me, I'm back, did you miss me? Gwen who? Chris (クリス) (talk) 20:25, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I can tell from the annoyingly low resol'n GIF, it's excellent. Have tagged the GIF as SupersededSVG and replaced all main uses of the GIF with the SVG. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 22:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: I created Image:Engaewa similis diagram.svg in inkscape, and it shows up fine on my computer but will not display as a thumbnail on Commons or in Wikipedia. I can't figure out the problem (I have tried purging the cache, that didn't work so I think there could be a problem with the SVG file)-- Commander Keane (talk) 05:19, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion: The file does show if you click on the "full size" link [2] It downloads fine and when opened reveals an object with a blur or gradient off the page to the left. I have had some similar problems, and believe that it has to do with Wikipedia not liking blurs and/or gradients. Slashme will probably know. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄21:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The problem was that there was an image still in the SVG. An image, probably used to trace from, was left in the SVG, but not embedded, simply a link to a file. Because this file was obviously not on Wikimedia's servers, it threw up an error and so it wouldn't display. I simply removed the image in a text editor and it displayed fine. (I also vacuumed defs and saved around 20k, remember to do this before uploading!) :-) > Rugby471talk⚔11:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done, I think, except you get white lakes (they always were white, I believe, as they are objects on tops of the countries instead of gaps between them.) Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄04:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion:
I converted the text to paths so it would show up. The image page also needs a copyright tag, or it will be deleted very soon. Let me know if you have any questions. -- I. Pankonin (t/c) 08:17, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Better! Is there any way to pull out a little more detail from the dark areas surrounding the center, or is the image not good enough to extract? Chris (クリス) (talk) 18:09, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
? I vaguely remember writing that (while the Lunesta was kicking in) and now don't remember what was on my mind at the time. I do recall unintentionally uploading my remake over the original and the other fellows remake, perhaps I thought he would be unhappy. Maybe I was thinking about what the photo purists at Featured Images would think of doing some restoration. Wires crossed somewhere. Apologies for the confusion. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄17:57, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done Arab Regions
please make a clear map with sharp borders between nations, SVGify
please make a clear map with sharp borders between nations, remove Iran, SVGify
Oh my Sagredo! ROTFLMAO! Wow! A causeway no less! :) That's great! (actually, could you find a happy medium on the bordering? What you've used in the past is great). What would Sagredo do? Chris (クリス) (talk) 04:07, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This should do it. Bahrain was already there, but very tiny. one had to zoom in a lot. This is based on the world map, rather than the asia map. The borders aren't working quite the same. It's bigger and my computer doesn't like it. Gets way behind and then screws up. (It's downloading some upgrades and I just don't know it, but they suck up memory.)Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄07:03, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That explains why the sunbeams don't line up quite correctly. As the image is used as a representation of a deity and not as a reproduction of a work of art, I see no problems with making small alterations to improve it's appearance. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄02:34, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I thought that was intentional (as in, fuzzy "insert detail here" area), and it iss a part of the design that I particularly like. --Slashme19:52, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I didn't think of that. And to answer your question above, the images used at the moment have redirects to either the upload page or guidelines for uploading type pages. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk20:04, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Request: Image might need to be digitally corrected to look at its best. Cropping and straightening might be needed. Direct link to image description is [3] and the image is [4]. Thank you. -- Kushalt00:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion: I've made a perspective correction, and cleaned it up some, but haven't corrected the chromatic aberration. ?AzaToth01:47, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OK, here's my effort. Note, this image is marked for deletion, but I put a note on the image page to hang on as it's under construction. --Slashme (talk) 17:41, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As I understand it, you can use the image on the DST page under fair use. The SVG was just listed for deletion because it was marked as fair use, but not used on a page. As soon as it's actually used on the DST page, it's OK for fair use and you can safely use it. --Slashme (talk) 08:43, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: Basically what I'd like is something just about like this, only of better quality and more visually appealing. Here is what specifically should be on it:
1. A background map of the United States (with state borders), Southern Canada and Northern Mexico, just like this map shows.
2. The 3 storm tracks with similar paths as shown. The paths can end as arrows where they do on the map now.
The northerly one is called Alberta Clipper (keep this some shade of blue)
The middle one is Zonal flow (one the map this is pink, but that could be changed if you can find one that looks better)
The one change I'd like to request is for the caption for the bottom track to be Panhandle hook instead of "Colorado Low" (keep this one some shade of green).
3. The "Warm Moist" and "Cool Dry" air mass identifiers should be similarly placed as well.
4. Then in addition what would be nice is some kind of simple legend on the bottom, maybe with a line color and the name of the storm track next to it.
Sorry, the subject is a little misleading. These are all storm tracks that occurr in the United States, so in that sense it's accurate. But coincidentally the map I happened to find that had some storm tracks on them all kind of ended them around Minnesota. If a new map reflects the storm tracks only until they get to Minnesota (like the original does) that would be fine with me, but it'd probably also be fine if it was a little more U.S. centric as a whole. Gopher backer (talk) 04:38, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment- "Alberta Clipper" isn't a proper meterological term, and its meaning may may vary from place to place. Here in Montana "Alberta Clipper" is used to describe a cold dry continental Canadian (sometimes Arctic) air mass moving from the northeast or north northeast. This is the large cold air mass that can extend from Montana to Minnesota and beyond. This seems to support that [5]. He does say these storms are born east of the Canadian Rockies. Not in the Pacific and crosses the Canadian Rockies. A map for the nation would become too complex. too cluttered unless for a specific day slected to be "typical" But one man's typical would be another's nor'easter. An image specific to Minnesota should be feasible. SagredoDiscussione?06:29, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I owe you an apology. The term "Alberta Clipper" appears in both the American meterological Society and NOAA glossaries. It's use for the cold fronts in Montana by the local weather people is incorrect. The preceding low forms in Alberta and develops as it moves east. At least in this instance [6] from Example of an Alberta Clipper. SagredoDiscussione?03:03, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia does have a repository of Blank maps. But the one of North America shows Michigan amalgamated with the Great Lakes into a new state. Does anyone know of a better starting point for this project? Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄06:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Request: The blastocyst PNG was converted to an SVG which looks vastly inferior to the PNG on which it was based. I'm trying to replicate the PNG more faithfully using Inkscape's trace tool but I've hit a problem. If you take a gander at the image linked to above, you see that the round thing has a cluster of cells at the top, with a diagonal line connecting the cluster of cells to the side of the circle. That line is an artifact and should not be there. My attempts to break the path have ended in failure and misery. I'm looking to you, Great Wikigraphicists, to right the wronged, to succeed where others have failed, to achieve what others have only dreamed. -- SeansPotato Business20:23, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Sagredo. Smart idea (though I still feel like Inkscape beat me) :(
Behold! My first Graphics Lab-esque creation! On the far right, is some other guys attempt for comparison/amusement. Although Inkscape did most of the work and I kept looking at other artists illustrations (that's where the red dots came from) for inspiration, I still feel quite proud. The Inkscape tracer did some weird things and I had to spend some time deleting artifacts; a task made much more difficult by the fact that you can only select using a rigid rectangular "rubberband" (couldn't the GIMP donate some code so we can select stuff more efficiently (i.e. the lasso tool was sorely missed)?) --SeansPotato Business23:04, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
A suggestion. Stretch the whole thing out until it's about 600 to 800 pixels wide one each side.(after the trace is made.). It might look a little nicer when viewed in Firefox. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄07:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
For the stripes, this will have to be modified slightly, however.
The logo
by Sagredo
Articels: Any ship in the Revenue Cutter service, the coast guard, etc.
Request: This should be mostly "cut and paste" work, as well as converting the coastguard and federal logos to monochrome. This official photograph [7] prooves that the GIF isn't just a really horrible copy, but is infact mostly correct (Other than being a horrible copy). 68.39.174.238 (talk) 04:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppinion: How's this? Both the canon and logo appeared to be all blue in the official photo. I used the red and blue from the logo. It wouldn't be hard to change if they're not the correct shades of red and blue. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄05:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The stripes on the two shields need to be red, all else looks OK. I'm not sure what the official RGB/Pantone colors are (Maybe the Coast Guard doesn't either). 68.39.174.238 (talk) 22:10, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Correction, ONLY the bars to the eagle's shield in the canton are colored red, the actual logo in the field is all blue, per President Taft and the USCG ([8]). We appear to be one-up on FotW, which is where that awful GIF appears to have come from. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 22:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note, for instance this. I know it's a painting, but I'm guessing (hoping) that the CG wouldn't upload a blatantly incorrectly colored flag and show it off. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 22:20, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion: Desaturating the color and a little blur help some, but this is probably a good job for Slashme's fourier transforms. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄06:05, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I did a fourier transform, masked out the section that corresponded to the halftone pattern with a fuzzy 50% grey brush, transformed back, did a 2x2 blur, a despeckle and an unsharp mask. I think the remaining noise is film grain, and we'll only really be able to get rid of that by hand. --Slashme (talk) 23:20, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
When I initially put Image:Iida Shojiro Fourier blur copy background.png into the article, it disappeared until I doctored the text. Is something weird encoded in the png, or am I Dee-Dee-Dee? Chris (???) (talk) 02:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: -- Image:Skype_logo.png is tagged with {{Convert to SVG}}, so I boldly tried to convert the image using Inkscape, but since I'm new to working with that file format, I somehow messed it up each time. Either the vectorised image doesn't look good, or (like the current version) it doesn't properly display at all. I dorfbaer I talk I 15:29, January 2, 2008
Graphist opinion: It might actually be correct. Coats of arms are correct as long as they match the description. It's not like a logo, which must be represented exactly such and such a way each and every time. If you can find the blazon, I would know for sure. -- I. Pankonin (t/c) 00:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like this is correct. Whether it loops, just hangs in the rings, or goes around the key handles seems to be the artist's styling. Look at the other image which is the same blazon except for the position of the keys. I was confused with the blazon given in the first link, because the cords were the wrong color, but the article Coat of arms of the Holy See says gules, two keys in saltire or and argent, interlaced in the rings gules/or, beneath a tiara argent, crowned or, which makes more sense, because it looks like the cords can be red or yellow. -- I. Pankonin (t/c) 04:44, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: similar but slightly differing requests, above. Andorra should be in light grey as no Scouting organization, member countries pale blue like the map on the side. -- Chris (???) (talk) 06:02, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion: Hi, Chris. This cropping seemed to make sense, unless you want to show all of Russia. Same cropping for WOSM-Europe? If Israel isn't a member, it might be better if they can be added. - Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄23:02, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sagredo, from whom all graphics flow, thank you so much!
Yeah, the cropping is very perceptive of you, it doesn't need to be the whole of Russia or Greenland, you've shown enough to really give the idea.
Israel is apparently a member of both, for political reasons instead of cultural.
The only tweak I would ask is that these both need to be the paler blue of the Schengen map, each region we've done so far is meant to be a pastel version of their coloration on the world map.
This is a beautiful job thus far, and the Rhodesiancoatofarms.png also needs SVGinated, so this is the perfect time for the two-birds-with-one-stone. The purple above the pickaxes are thistles, and should visibly scale as thus. The text itself should be visible to read SIT NOMINE DIGNA, and there are characters behind the words (right of scroll), symbolizing mining, that the best way I can describle looks like the 5 on dice. Image:Dice01.jpgChris (???) (talk) 02:07, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The last flag was done by inkscape tracing the seal to svg format. It's as good as I'm going to get it by that method. Redrawing it by hand would be a lot of work, and really should have a better image to start with. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄03:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I meant no offense, yours is a lot of hard work and beautiful! I can't find a better image, I have looked all over. I know there are some in old books I have, if ever I get my kukai out of storage, but it can wait. This is great! Can you do the same inkscape tracing the seal to svg format to the coat of arms? (you may still have it handy) Then overwrite the old flag svg and we're done! :) You're wonderful, brother! Chris (???) (talk) 03:45, 5 January 2008 (UTC)No offense taken, Chris, you usually ask for less than can be done, and less than I think should be done. Someone else may be able to do a better tracing.[reply]
Does anyone else get weird optical illusions on their monitor from these flag images? No other images on this page do this to me, but this one causes ghosting for some reason. Chris (???) (talk) 14:46, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The flag had a thin blue line at the top for a while. Very thin; I did not notice at for a while, then fixed it. Not sure why it happened. A stroke effect in Inkscape which I either added unknowningly or Inkscape sometimes seems to do weird things. For the Seal, the svg may not be an improvement over the png. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄19:45, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My belief, however, is that it should be your thumbprint on the revision history, as it is your hard work and effort, you're the one with the mad skyllz (with both the 'y' and the 'z', yes I went there) so it is to your credit, is all. Chris (???) (talk) 23:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but I feel that the old PNG version is more true to the actual look of the image. The SVG version that has been created here is very green and doesn't look right to my eyes. Not only that but the coat of arms are very blurred and it is hard to make the image out. Sadly I lack the knowledge of how to improve the images but is there any way we could make corrections and possibly enlarge the image? Mangwanani (talk) 18:54, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I stand corrected on the blurry front but the colours still don't look right to me. It seems a bit too green still and the motto is largely illegible. I don't know how creating an SVG works. I have never tried it myself so I cannot truly appreciate the way in which the creation/editing of an image in SVG format works however, if anything can be done to a) enlarge the image and b) increase the clarity of the colours and motto it would be nice to have a much clearer image. Mangwanani (talk) 18:48, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: I need a map as in the example above, showing the administrative borders of the municipalities and districts of Oran Province, Algeria, but without the compass, the small map in the upper left corner, and without labels. Bitmap versions of this map can be viewed on following websites: [9], [10], and [11]. PS: Each municipality should be individually selectable. I already tried to ask for this on the French Wikipedia, but I haven't got an answer since a month, so I hope I can get some help here. TIA!
Non. The thing is, I do not need a version of the map above without the compass, the small map in the upper left corner, and without labels. But I need a vector version of one of the three maps here (anyone would do): this, this, or this, having a similair style to the map above! (The map above is only an example) --escondites12:30, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I did think that was just too easy. I will start on it in a few days, and then it will probably take a week. If someone else can get to it sooner, that's OK, too. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄14:34, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that's it. Thank you! But it still needs a small modification: there's quite a lot of space between each municipality... Can't you make them all immediately next to each other, as in the example map above? Thanks. --escondites18:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This should do everything you want. In addition the borders can easily turned on or off, made any color, and varied from thick to thin. Instructions for Inkscape are on the map's description page. About how many articles will it be used for? Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄04:10, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion: If the pdf has no copyright problems, it might be better to use it. It seems to have good quality, and wouldn't be hard to work with in Photoshop. Trying to go from the standard world map would requiring transforms (skewing). Inkscape (at least the version I have) will not skew objects. There's supposed to be an add on that will give it this ability, but I've been unable to download it. Which would leave me down to exporting objects (countries) as bitmaps putting them in Photoshop and making a transformation one country at a time. Then importing them back tracing the bitmaps to svg's and trying to put Humpty Dumpty back together again. Then there's the problem of trying to drag all the Pacific Island groups west across the eastern hemisphere so they end up to the left of the Americas. Or redraw them and get them grouped together properly so that each island group takes the same fill color. I'm afraid this one's beyond my skill level. Do you want me to do a map from the pdf? Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄23:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That is totally fine, that's kind of what I thought you would have to do. (at least the part of all that lorem ipsum I understood). Bear in mind I have two DVD players that were gifts I have never hooked up because I am sure I will mess up my TV. :} Chris (???) (talk) 23:05, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I like your antiqued gold one and the one in F0E68C. Decisions, decisions... Based on shading of the other regions (one more only left, thank Ras Tafari), which one more closely matches the series? I value your input, and that's great!
Can anything be done about the blurring in the islands north of Canada?
Request: I've done this SVG conversion, but the stripes on the ribbon don't want to be even. I tried using a pattern, but that gave whitespace between the elements. Can anyone tidy this up further? Ta! -- Stannered (talk) 22:36, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion:
How, is it supposed to look ? It looks different depending on the size of the thumbnails, and also looks different viewed in full size inbetween Inkscape and Firefox. In Inkscape the lines are a darker red, in Firefox they are almost black. Jackaranga (talk) 20:52, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Bah the wiki software won't even display the image at some resolutions. Here it is using the thumb parameter, I don't know why it won't let me display it in the gallery or at 60px for example. Oh well I tried I think the problem is with the wiki software not generating the thumbnail correctly. Jackaranga (talk) 21:34, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Basically the stripes should look even at all resolutions; obviously at low resolutions the stripes won't line up with enough pixels to work properly, so they should blur our. In my version, even at higher resolutions the lines are of uneven thickness (as if the antialiasing is going nuts). The image description page render of your version looks better, but I have no idea why it won't render outside of that. Stannered (talk) 22:53, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's awesome! How do you do the linear gradient? Is it even possible in Inkscape? Do you want to upload it over the top of mine, or shall I? Thanks! Stannered (talk) 20:45, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion: As this logo is used under a claim of fair use, we can't create derivative works of it, hence can't convert it to SVG ourselves. We have to find a vector version created by the company itself, and convert that. Stannered (talk) 18:13, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: Look at the "swastika" icon at the left upper corner, it misses a heraldic rose in the centre. It should be easy, the image already has those exact heraldic roses in the middle Coat of Arms. One just needs to be rezised properly, border recoloured and put to the Cross. I tried it myself, but as an unexperience SVG user, the image failed when converting to Illustrator. Do what looks best, there aren't true examples of the most correct size. -- Pudeo?13:57, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Dang, I just looked the svg, they're all Sagredoland. PNG it is, then, but would you put in surrounding landmasses where they fall within the frame? Chris (???) (talk) 15:17, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
ps-unless (holding out hope as I much prefer SVG) you can trim out the relevant section from the world map, like you used for the other regions, like the basemap you used for the Arab Region? :) Chris (???) (talk) 15:19, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Tinfoil hats don't work. I'm wearing one and still suffer the effects of Gao whenever I get near. And part of the time when I'm not. That and when you're zoomed in so you can see the really little countries. . . Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄22:30, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, those were handles. They looked really out of place to me, and I thought they might be caused by the bleed through. I do find myself having an urge to hide my username in images, but on ones this small they'd be too easy to find by flashing from one image to another. And besides, like Project Steve it's funny only once. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄14:23, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Intriguing because I didn't know if I could get my magic wand (Photoshop tool) to pick up only on the bleed through without taking out massive parts of the drawing. Some expirementing with its selectivity setting and I learned something, too. Which is far from the only thing I've learned here. Thanks for you patience with my mistakes. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄00:54, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't ever see them as mistakes, it's fun to see the thought process, often you've come up with better ways to do something than I thought of, it's all just fresh perspective. Chris (???) (talk) 02:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion: Chip shot - a click on the auto-levels button. You could put 4 or eight of these in one request. Maybe better try 4 at first and see if the files get uploaded in the right places. Although not a big deal if they don't. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄05:14, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Missed that you wanted it corrected for perspective. Cropping is as the original printed, with more space on the left. Do you want an more even border? Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄06:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Four or eight? I don't understand, we have but the one. No, the uneven border is great as it shows the original printing process, that's just fine. Is it possible to lighten the right of the photo more so the blue border shows details like the left does? Chris (???) (talk) 08:06, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: I would like to please request that the yellowish-blue background be erased from this logo. At the organization's web page [13], you can see that the yellow and blue background is merely an artifact from the background of the rest of their page. On Wikipedia, the yellow and blue background is just a distraction and makes the image appear unclear. You may also wish to change it to a more appropriate graphics format (?). Thank you! Bry9000 (talk) 20:30, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
See if they have any PDFs to download, the logo will probably be at the head of them, possibly in vector form. If that doesn't work, brandsoftheworld might have it. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 08:18, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: Ensure that the proportions and colors of each flag are the same: The bars should all be the same, the canton size, etc. The only difference should be the number of placement of the stars. I would use the 7-star version as the base image. Also, since the Army of Northern Virginia's flag is so similar, could you convert that the same way? 68.39.174.238 (talk) 08:15, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Opinion: Looks easy enough. I'll get on it. I'll assume that the stars are supposed to be equally spaced. Are they supposed to be rotated so that one point always faces exactly away from the centre, becuase they are in the reference on but not in the others? Also I'll change the aspect ratio from 883.61:491 = 1.7999 to 1.8:1 to be neater and get everythng on pixel boundaries for crispness. Inductiveload (talk) 02:47, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Update: Here's what I have so far. I've made them all with one point of each star pointing directly outwards (except the ANV one). If this wrong, tell me so and I will change them right away. The new image size is 810 x 450px which gives nice 150px bars. Inductiveload (talk) 03:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That looks right (The stars' rotation), however a quick perusal of FotC shows that very few were ever that coordinated. I especially like the one with the extra star just stuck in the lower right of the canton. Thanx. One last thing; do you think that the darker red in the original ANV flag.png looks better then the lighter ones in the SVG? 68.39.174.238 (talk) 13:23, 13 January 2008 (UTC) PS. Also, could it be possible to upload the new SVG colors over the old ones? This would prevent someone having to run around and change all the link and then tag the old ones as superseded, etc.[reply]
I think the darker red does look a bit better. Maybe if I match it to the current flag of the USA? I'll change the new images first and if you like them, I'll upload over the old ones and mark the new ones as duplicates. Inductiveload (talk) 16:12, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Image:CSA Flag (9 Stars).svg by far looks the best. It has a more sober and serious look. The light red reminds me of something that you might find on a GeoCities page from 1997. If, by some unbelievable discovery, it turns out that there WAS a specified standard color of the confederate flags, it can be easily changed later. If you get all 5 of them using the same colors as the current US flag, I think this would be considered done. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 20:51, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It was saved as a png, as I believe (not 100% sure), that it should have a hair better quality. Also I'm always reluctant to upload over someone else file. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄19:13, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion: I don't know the technical end about Firefox and Wikipedia do not render SVG's the same as Inkscape, but think I found a fix. Export the leopard skin as a Bitmap. Import it back in and trace it. (Path>>Trace bitmap) It ends up a bit small, but isn't hard to resize, and shows up in Firefox. I had a devil of a time with the Minnesota Weather Pattern Map above, and finally just placed one letter at a time. You'll need to adjust the fit, I got lazy. One can open images in firefox to check for these things before uploading. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄05:48, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the edit. I uploaded a version with a pattern done manually, by duplicating and adjusting the spots (600 of them!). It works OK, but file size is bigger and we lose the advantage of having the fill done as a regular pattern. Oh well, at least it works. Thanks, Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 19:44, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion:
Is there a higher resolution image with the WM logo? I'm hesitant, because I don't want to get a trademark wrong. -- I. Pankonin (t/c) 09:50, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: The "Presidential flag" was obviously made from a different model: The colors and coat of arms are totally different from the flag and Coat of Arms of the country (And I don't think that was intentional). Could the "Presidential flag" image be overwritten with the country's flag and the stars added, to make it appear similar? 68.39.174.238 (talk) 18:53, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Seems tome that using it would take far more room than is needed, besides, the image already exists, so it makes more sense to replace it with a svg than with obnoxiously complex wikicode. Circeus00:54, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't mean it's not ridiculously over-large. Given this is a FA, and I myself don't believe the addition of a text replacement like this to be a good idea, don't count on me to fight for the inclusion of this. Circeus23:39, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What a rude response given the amount of work Ilmari put into it. Nobody's "counting on you" to do anything, nobody asked you even to put your request here, but since you did, the least you could do is keep a civil tongue in your head while you're here. These Graphic Lab folks do an awful lot of weird requests for a lot of obscure articles, some of which may get a dozen reads a year, as volunteers, and while you may not have thanks for them, they don't need your pedantry. Ilmari's very clear, legible chart is a far improvement over what there was, and took him a great deal of time. If it's not what you seek, explain what you do seek without whining. Chris06:24, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
He's certainly got the right not to use the {{familytree}} version if he doesn't like it. It can be made a bit smaller, as I've done above, and enclosed in a {{imageframe}}, but it's certainly possible that an image could be made even more compact while remaining legible. I made this version because it really is pretty simple to do (at least if you know the syntax); it doesn't represent a significant investment of effort on my part. Certainly it shouldn't be too hard to draw an SVG replacement in Inkscape either. Or perhaps someone who's good with Graphviz might want to take a shot at this... —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 21:53, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Request: Please convert to SVG. I can send a high-resolution pdf-Version. My e-mail is fluegel[at]gmx.com. Is there and free software that converts pdf to svg? -- Afluegel (talk) 17:32, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion: If you have the original data, I could re-do the graph in gnuplot, which can natively produce svg graphs. I'm not sure whether an automatic pdf-to-svg converter exists, but it would not be hard to re-draw a simple straight-line graph like that by hand. --Slashme (talk) 14:14, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I have now uploaded an svg. You will notice some changes:
I left the long comment off the graph, as it is (IMHO) better put into a caption. You'll see it's on the image page now. It's also very easy to add it to an SVG if you feel strongly about it.
I left the data points on the graph this time, as it provides more information: You can see the deviation from linearity
I slightly expanded the range of the Y-axis to include at least some data points for lead and titanium
I made the y-axis title more readable.
I also included the original data and the gnuplot script in the svg file as a comment at the bottom.
For making sure that a reader does not think that this is generally valid for all glasses it would be possible to put a short note directly into the image (so it does not get lost through editing): Valid only for base composition given in the image description. or something similar.
The lines should not be extended beyond the available data because it is not sure if the Abbe numbers are realistic there.
Then we also need to say in the image description that the lines are straight, and they are just there to show the deviation from linearity. The lines do not reflect the property curves.
I didn't change the lengths of the regression lines because in the two cases where the lines extend beyond the points shown, there are actually points that fell off the scale of the graph, so it's not really extrapolation. Please explain if you disagree with this decision. --Slashme (talk) 08:38, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: This is a photo I took of the Sergeant Floyd Monument in Sioux City, Iowa. Unfortunately the lens on my camera distorted the image so the obelisk looks slightly curved. —Bkell (talk) 03:46, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the improvement; it looks great. Please feel free to upload the better version over the top of the original. —Bkell (talk) 08:16, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: This image is currently a copy vio! Please could you redraw the map (ie not a tracing) so that it is no longer a copy vio. Please do in a similar way to the last LM maps, the Superlink map and the Beeching II maps. Thanks, -- Dewarw (talk) 20:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I made the mistake of starting out trying to lay it out on a map of England. The center became far too crowded. The central stations bit could be expanded out some as space permits, how far would be appropriate? I. e. which stations?) (I've never been to England.) Let me know what you want changed. Anyone with the knowlege of how to pull the main line out straight would be appreciated. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄19:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Don't pull the main line out strait- this makes it different form the original (ie not a copy vio). Expand the centre, it does not really matter where as it is only a route diagram, not a geographical map. Try to make gaps equal where possible. Remember, at the end, it needs to look different to the original, or it will be back in this lab (for the third time!). Keep up the good work! Dewarw (talk) 18:43, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to mark this as done. It could be improved on but it does satisify the basic need. I've got a bunch of stuff that has come up in the real word, (I'd rather be here) and have made other promises I must (try to) keep. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄06:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've made some small improvements to the map (fixed font sizes etc.), which I have mentioned to User:Sagredo. IMHO, diagrams like these could be a good collaborative effort for major intercity railway lines where the route diagrams may become too crowded, particularly if branch lines are also included in full. Andrew(My talk)02:12, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: I would like this image to be converted to SVG. Not a lot really needs doing apart from the conversion but the edges to the different bits of the image could be made sharper/more defined if possible. Many thanks-- Mangwanani (talk) 18:36, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'll start working on this. I have to warn you, though—I won't use a tracer, so it will look more... vector-like and less like artwork :) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 19:51, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wow! I am dead impressed with that. This look amazing. Is there anyway we could get the mound of earth to look more 3D at all however? But I really am astonished at the difference this has made to the quality of the image. Mangwanani (talk) 16:52, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A request: Since you've SVGified the Coat, could you also produce an SVG of the flag? It's just the crest expanded to fit a flag, as can be seen. Thanx, 68.39.174.238 (talk) 00:32, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion: Lightening only on the right makes it look like two unrelated images side by side. To me lightening both sides and the original tend to look that way anyway. To show the address sign, I think one doesn't need much of the buildings, hence the cropped version. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄21:42, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: specifically lighten Jimmy Buffett for detail, as Captain Stubing behind him is more visible than my boy Jimmy. (oh, and in your redone version, would you spell his name right?) -- Chris (クリス) (talk) 16:14, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
New brand of laundry detergent. Maybe too bright? I don't have a good monitor, either. Actually use a notebook so I can use comfortable chair. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄05:27, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is about as far as I know how to take this. With Sam Shepard, I was able to cut him out of the picture, lighten him up, and put him back in. He had nice sharp edges. Buffett's fuzzy arms and the little tuft of hari at the back of his make that unworkable here. The naval officer's name tag appears to read "Deputy Commander" Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄02:07, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion: PNG done. It's quite a large file, though, so IMHO it should be a temporary solution until an SVG is made—and yes, it is worth it. Best, Fvasconcellos (t·c) 16:36, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: White balance is off, making the subject look very unappetizing. The hue, saturation, and brightness should be adjusted to make the subject look like a Yorkshire pudding or Crêpe. See also this for a more accurate photo. —dgiestc19:44, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand, isn't converting a copyrighted work from png to svg illegal and against wikipedia policy ? This is why usually when someone asks for a logo to be converted to SVG, the only possible solution is to find a logo already in vector format, such as in a PDF document. Jackaranga (talk) 15:27, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's why it is specified that it is a 50 year old extinct logo for a country that no longer exists, for an organization that did not exist in any form since the 1960s, and its reborn iteration carries a different name and different symbology. Chris (クリス) (talk) 20:12, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to give you the long technical reason as to why that image disappears, but to do that I'd first have to understand it myself. ; ) Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄22:38, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Also, needs a trimmer head, it's a big cat, not a very looooooooooong wolf, ;) and needs the speckle pattern, like you used for Seshat. Thus far it is brilliant, and way better than I could do. Chris (クリス) (talk) 02:24, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, Please note that Jeff's pattern for Seshat didn't really work. Adding spots, we're up to 1.35MB, which if it isn't a record for an image this size, it's at least notable. The spots are evenly spaced on the image, even if they don't show up that way on some sizes of images in the screen. PNG is probably a better way to go The effect on the sun(?)'s rays in the png is simply noise. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄23:24, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(although, the 5% is also very dignified and classy. Decisions, decisions. But please do remove the spots from the svg. That will be the telling point). Chris (クリス) (talk) 17:01, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion: I cropped, adjusted brightness, etc. to this photo. If anyone is an expert in Photoshop (I used GIMP), you can fix the image. Miranda04:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done I think this is the best that we can do at this point. The important point is, that the picture is received and will be used for the main page, once the FAC is over. Miranda16:04, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It did pick up contrast and some artifacts. I considered it different, not necessarily better. It's certainly a judgement call. We leave that to the requester. Sometimes they're very happy with suggestions (see kermit the frog) and once in a while not. The great majority of the time they happy. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄07:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: Extract the SVG coat from the flag and modify it to allow a replacement of the two inappropriate JPEGs. Note that the green background on the one was added because the template it's in is green and JPEGs don't have transparency. It can be ignored when the SVG has transparency. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 19:17, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh god, good eyes, can't see that on this monitor. I wonder if that's some of the 1960s fancy answer to a music video... Chris (クリス) (talk) 04:42, 20 January 2008 (UTC) It's quite likely that they were fading from one image to the other when the vidcap was done, although I don't think they had/used that type of effect back in the 60's.[reply]
Sorry, no. On Steve Jobs I was able to turn up the brightness and contrast until I could tell where Steve's head ended and the background began. It would have been easy to cut him out if the requester had desired. But on Kermit the shadows are so deep, I get nothing in many areas of the frog.
But take a look at the original and see if you can spot the two eyeballs glowing in the dark background. They're hilarious! Funnier than anything I could have stuck in. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄07:04, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You can't delete elements from the background of a fair-use image without violating policy and copyright law, it's debatable if you are even allowed to change the contrast. Jackaranga (talk) 20:57, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pretty sure the whole point of copyright is to stop you reproducing a work or a derivative of it. Normally wikipedia doesn't allow users to make derivatives of copyrighted work, for example: for company logos, when someone wants to make an SVG version from a png, it is not allowed and we tell them to look for one in a PDF file instead. Jackaranga (talk) 21:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Company logos are Trademarks (R), a design associated with a specific company or product. Trademark and Copyright (C) issues are quite different. We probably should take this to the talk page. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄00:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: Please, convert the images to SVG so we can translate them easily. These are rather simple drawings -- maybe it could be done by some tool (but I don't really know)... -- Ondrejsv (talk) 17:13, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I did hit a couple of snags, though, and made a few changes:
I renamed "Iupac" to "IUPAC" in all filenames, of course. I also renamed "halogen" to "haloalkane" and "carboxyl" to "carboxylic acid".
I'm not sure Image:Iupac-alkane-5.png is accurate—I'm pretty sure that should be 3-methyl-4-propyloctane (with the main chain being the one to the left).
I replaced "N-methy-N-ethylpropanamine" with "N-ethyl-N-methylpropanamine".
Have a look and tell me what you think. If any of the atom labels seem out of place, let me know and I'll resize the files so they can be positioned more accurately. Best, Fvasconcellos (t·c) 20:36, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Fvasconcellos, you've done a really good and quick job :-). Indeed, it seems you are correct with both "N-ethyl-N-methylpropanamine" and 3-methyl-4-propyloctane, so may I ask you to change the name in the Iupac-alkane-5.png... Again, thanks. --Ondrejsv (talk) 18:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
YDone—I hope it's accurate now, I took some... artistic license :) Feel free to replace the PNGs, and if there's anything else I can help you with, just ask. Best, Fvasconcellos (t·c) 19:01, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: -- I'm hoping somebody with graphic design skills can create a map in either PNG or SVG similar to Image:MSU campus map.png for the University of Oklahoma. It would actually be two separate maps, one for the main campus and one for the south campus.
On Google Maps, this link shows the main campus which is already grayed. For the south campus, this map shows the area and it would be from E. Constitution on the north to Hwy 9 on the south and Jenkins on the west to Dewey on the east.
Thank you. That looks like a great start. Can you drop the dark green? That's just the golf course, and I don't think that should be on the map of the campus. Or at the very least, be more prominent than the main campus.↔NMajdan•talk04:50, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, dark green gone. It was marked in google maps as being associated with the University. So perhaps a slightly darker gray. (It really doesn't matter to me, if you want it totally gone, I'll do that. I just like to look at all the possibilities) Without the golf course, cropping to center on the campus gets kind of tall and skinny, but I think OK. In fact, that might work well on a wiki page. I've left out N, S, E, & W quite a bit. That way the rest of the text is bigger and easier to read. But if we need the directions on the streets, it can go in. Let me know. The cropping on these works like a matte over a photo, you can move it around to show what you want. The map has the south campus as well, and everything to the east that showed in the first view. It's also simple to do a wide view showing both main and south, a third map if you wish. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄07:02, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've uploaded a version of how the entire campus might look. Please comment about the labeling of the streets. size, font, placement on streets, use of all caps (I think makes it easier to read) bold (same reason) before I go farther with it. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄04:23, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The entire campus map looks great. But there are a couple rogue "st"s on the map. One between Imhoff and Hwy 9 and one between Columbia and Merrimac.↔NMajdan•talk18:22, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have some weird bug (wrong setting?) in Inkscape where text objects drawn from scratch turn into black squares. but I can copy them from other documents and they work. So I paste down a bunch of "ST's and work from there. The big concern is the text style, color, size, font, use of bold, use of all caps and placement on the streets is OK with you before I start labeling streets. Once done there's no easy way I know to change them all at once. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄19:49, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, here's the big map. It needs a good proof reading. I put up two versions, a .svg and a .png. Often the Firefox browser displays svg's oddly, with the text too big, and it did it here. (Anybody out there with a solution or even just an explanation would be most welcome.) When it's been checked over, I'll do the two smaller versions in both file types. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄02:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
On the north side of Boyd Street, its DeBarr not DeGarr. That's the only issue I've seen so far, but letter me take another look tomorrow. Other than that, it looks great. I love the resolution of the PNG, but I know the SVG is scalable and thus the preferred format.↔NMajdan•talk03:36, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Look over one version of each the new ones carefully. (the PNG's are probably easier) I moved some street labels around, and could have deleted or submerged something. The SVG with both campuses is the one to be sure to hang on to; it is the master from which the others are made. The other SVG are are complete, but do have some labels moved.
SVG vs PNG As far as I know there is a indeed a move to svg. But at this time Internet Explorer does not read them at all and Firefox doesn't always do it well. (doesn't do the street labels at all well on these.) So, while you may want to use the png's today, the day of the svg will come. You might want have an admin rename the map of the entire campus. (I used main streets meaning main streets labeled - saved in the event of an Inkscape crash) The labeling did not turn out to be as bad a chore as I thought it might. Enjoy! Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄02:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion: Color is an area I don't understand as well as I'd like. Some experimentation gave this. The image has a lot of artifacts, which make it hard to see. If you could scan at a higher resolution, and then we could downsample it would improve the quality and result in the same low resolution required by the policies. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄04:15, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: Please please (pretty one with cherry sprinkles on top) create a decent SVG version. There is one on Commons, but it looks nothing like the original when zoomed in. There are two riginals: one in PNG (simple color scheme) and another in GIF (more complex coloring/shading). Tried to trace PNG in InkScape, but I got nowhere... Thank you! -- Renata (talk) 10:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What exactly is the problem with the current SVG? Comparing the PNG and SVG on my machine shows no appreciable difference, beyond the colors being a little lighter. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 03:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The current SVG has many details different from the original: like the face, hand, different colors, line thickness, etc. It just looks wrong. It's clear that it was done from scratch, not based on the original. Renata (talk) 06:51, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This seems an awful lot like my request about the Papal/VCS arms below; if the Constitution in question just says that "The State emblem shall be a white Vytis on a red background."... well, they're all "white Vytises on a red background" and I don't know that one could be called less accurate than the others. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 07:52, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, all versions of COA are invariably based on either the PNG or the GIF versions... And our SVG version is made completely from scratch... and it can be seen from rather far away. It just does not look good. Don't know how to explain, but there is a certain way Vytis is supposed to look like and our SVG is not one of them.
The only real difference I see is the use of thick outlines on the "quality png" one. I've never been a fan of outlines on coats of arms, because if they're designed right, the colors that border one another contrast with each other. That's clearly the case here. The white horse and rider contrast with the red, so there's no need for a thick black outline.
outlines - notice that the middles of the yellow flowers are completely black
no outlines
Black outline on the chain makes it hard on the eyes
Yellow chains with a light brown outline is pleasing to the senses
No disrespect, but that is not your call... A government far whatever (silly) reasons decided to make the lines thick and we need to stick with that. Isn't there a (rather) simple way to track the quality png version to get very accurate SVG out of it? Renata (talk) 04:23, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No disrespect to you either, but there is no such thing as an "official" version of a coat of arms. As long as the blazon is faithfully followed, it is heraldically the same image, and the SVG version above is really so similar to the PNG and GIF versions that I doubt the uploader could legally claim the copyright on it. -- I. PankoninReview me!08:24, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Appearently there is. This Vytis was created (and I mean completely redesigned over its ealier versions) in 1991 by painter Arvydas Každailis. And since then eveyrone stuck to this version. What you said is correct for older COAs that date back to generations. But this one is a recent creation (based on old concept), and as such has an "official version".
Request: Can someone make the background of this transparent? Thanks. (PS: How exactly do you make the BG of an image transparent?)-- escondites11:10, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion: Yes, it should be winding its way through the servers. How it's done varies with image type. For SVG's there's a setting much like the fill setting. File>>Document Properties. It's the second thing down. (While you're there, notice the "fit page to selection" button.) On a PNG the only way I know is involves coping the image to a new document with a clear background, Then erasing the white. Which isn't bad as there's a tool (magic wand) that will select it all, well, 99%. Then hit the delete key. All the white pixel go away. Taking care that you don't get white from the image. Then a little touch up with a small eraser and/or pencil. Can be tedious, but I find it relaxing. Maybe somebody else knows a better way. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄02:48, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't stale, this is done: The image background is transparent (Or at least MW renders it as such). Should ask Esc if this is what was wanted. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 19:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I worked it over. Guess I should have mentioned that above. ; ) Esc did also ask how it was done. Just left a note on his talk page. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄02:08, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The second looks a lot lighter on my notebook. A third, somewhat lighter, but it's starting to loose the highlights. Comments from others would be welcome, especially someone with a quality calibrated monitor. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄00:27, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've been looking at this from several different monitors now, I wonder if "keep what we've got" is an option that has ever been used before? Chris (クリス) (talk) 06:02, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: -- We would like to use as a lede photo at 300px but quality seems to be diminished if we do so. Can anything be done so we can display it at 300px? Benjiboi21:59, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This guy is an attention-seeker. How tough would it be to ask him if he'd release a higher resolution image in the PD for inclusion on Wikipedia?↔NMajdan•talk22:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Let's assume good faith that if the subject of the article had any interest in it we likely would have a fabulous photo. Does the phrase "without upscaling" mean that it can't be fixed? Please forgive my complete and utter non-technical grasp of a lot of the image improvement field. Benjiboi22:33, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I tried a trick for enlarging photos I learned at work; also did general fixes. Is this any better: (I made it so it is approx. 300px natively) -YK Timestalk03:49, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: can you guys work your magic with colors, balancing et al so it doesn't seem washed out? You'll know more of the technical terms than I. -- Chris (クリス) (talk) 05:28, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion:
First of all, the uploader had the really bright idea of reducing the quality of the image from 85 to 60, but I managed to get the image from the source. I applied the usual: vhitebalance, contrast, greyc and refocusing. →AzaToth06:38, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: SVGification and coordination (The two look nothing like each other). The 1st should be easily converted as its practically an SVG now; the latter I'm not sure about, but it does give an example of what the symbols actually are. 68.39.174.23815:37, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist Opinion:
Ok I've started this one. I will convert the first one to an svg. Anyone wanting to do further work on it afterwards can use it as a base. By the way, next time please use the template specified on the top of the page. It is there for a reason. Least of all, spelling. XcepticZP18:36, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Question. I have generally been trying to make things such as these match the original jpg/gif/png. I read something about thin lines being preferred even if it changes the appearance. If that the case, I'll certainly start using thin lines. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄18:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
When you're dealing with Coats and flags, from what I gather, so long as it matches the blazon or official description, it's OK. For instance, notice the difference between the coat in the raster flag and the raster coat. One is very detailed and the other is blocks of color, yet both are legitimate. I think you could get away with thinning the lines, and if anyone can prove it otherwise, it may be reverted easily. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 20:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"Can we trim the hollow space" part? was meant for me, probably. There was something about this image causing the fit page to selection function to leave some wide clear margins in the document. I finally got rid of it. If memory serves, it was some incredibly small objects. It is done, unless there is another issue. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄06:12, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion: I have no idea on you layout problem, but would suggest more contrast on the Tour Eiffel photo. color adjustment on some of the others Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄06:58, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks - looks great. I'll give up on the layout opinion request - this probably isn't the right place to request that. (Does anybody know a better place?). But given that nobody actually objected to the non-standard layout, I'll let it stand until I hear otherwise. Thanks again. Smallbones (talk) 19:31, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Articels: Anything and everything to do with the United States Legislature
Request: SVGification. The only major difference I can see in the eagle in the House logo and the SVG of the Great Seal is that the shield actually has stars in it. As to the Congress seal, the outer rim is, I think, supposed to be reminiscent of a fasces. Finally, if you can do the Senate logo, that would be great, but I know it looks nothing like the rest of them. Also, I don't think you need to keep the strange black lines, as they are a byproduct of it being rendered in stained glass. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 13:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Opinion:
I added the reverse of the Great Seal. That one is the most difficult because of the landscape. If nobody does them in the meantime I'll probably get to the other ones tomorrow. -- I. Pankonin (t/c) 10:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Senate seal is done. I need some help on the last one. If somebody could do the plants in the foreground, I think I can manage the rest of it. -- I. Pankonin (t·c) 10:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to be annoying, but I turned up another "Senate seal". It's such a plagairizm of the House logo though that it should be easily doable. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 15:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC) PS. Also, can I some other coats to this request, or would that be too much? 68.39.174.238 (talk) 15:37, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just to confuse everybody, I put up 2 more Senate SVG versions extracted from PDF yesterday by Clindberg. I don't think any of the "alternate" Senate seals are being used in any articles after I went through them all with AWB. Every time they were used, it was with the caption "Senate Seal", so I changed all of the entries to the official version. I think the only place they should actually be used is in the Seal of the United States Senate page in a new section that explains what the practice is. Otherwise, I think it's just misinformation. -- I. PankoninReview me!03:27, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hey all, I was not aware of this going on when I uploaded the two I extracted. I've had them done for little while but had not gotten around to uploading them... may have saved a little work, sorry about that. Great job all around though; it'll be nice to have some SVG versions of these. One thing is that the Senate and Congress unofficial seals (and the official Senate one) seem to use a different font than the one used here... not sure if that can be changed or not, but it may help if it could. Some elements of the VP seal are more gray in the source image; that may look better against the white background. A couple of other notes -- the House "seal" here is also unofficial, as is the Congress one. There is no official seal of Congress, and the official House seal apparently apparently dates from 1963 and shows the southeast (House) side of the U.S. Capitol building with a ring of stars around it, but I've never seen an image of it.[17] Earlier house seals apparently showed the Capitol building as it was in the very early 1800s (before even the original dome was built). The senate seal is only used in very particular circumstances, so it seems they have come up with these "unofficial", alternate versions. As you see, one of them always seems to be used on podiums during speeches, etc. The image of the official seal is from a stained glass window in the Capitol (see this image). I guess the House seal is under similar restrictions, so they have a similar set of unofficial versions used on websites etc., but I've not seen a picture of any of the official ones. The stars on the shield probably come from the vector of the Great Seal (see the original PDF source; they have the stars even though the Great Seal is not supposed to have them). Anyways, kudos again on the great job here -- it's great to have SVG versions of a lot of these. And good luck on the reverse of the Great Seal -- I've never found a vector version of it :-) Carl Lindberg (talk) 17:07, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your input. Very useful. I think we can have some latitude with colors. After all, the seal itself has no colors, nor does the imprint it leaves in wax. Our Great Seal image did come from the PDF, and I modified it and took out the stars a while back. I did make the House of Representatives one with stars, and I kind of regret it now. I think it's terrible that they had stars in an official document about the Great Seal. There really should be a herald somewhere in the government outside of the Army. I'm normally against expanding the government, but I'd make that exception. -- I. PankoninReview me!12:06, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah... I was the one who originally extracted the Great Seal. Which reminds me, there were some small fixes in the ribbon which later extractions did not do... I'll have to redo those at some point. I think the basic eagle vector image has its origin in the State Department (see this SVG and its source). Not sure if the stars were intentional for just the State Department, or too much artistic license. I decided to leave them there, because that exact image shows up in many official documents and sites. In any event, that basic vector has spread far and wide, as basically the identical image is used in the seals of several government agencies. As for colors on the others yes, we don't need to be exact -- but some of these "unofficial" seals seem more like logos, and it feels like it would be best to get as close as we can to the versions seen on podiums etc. Still, it's not a big deal, and these are far better than we we had (which was nothing). They can always be improved later. Carl Lindberg (talk) 19:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
One request, can you make the bottom of the Pro-temp seal's shield come to a point like raster version? Other then that, both look excellent. Unfortunately checkusage on Commons appears to have died, so I can't do the replacements. Thanx, 68.39.174.238 (talk) 17:54, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm... are you sure the element above the shield is a feather? Doesn't look like it... in this other version especially, it looks like a gavel, which I believe is a symbol for the President Pro Tempore. And the feathers are most likely quill pens. How about that... look at this PDF. Apparently the presiding officer of the Senate uses an ivory gavel, so that is almost certainly what it is. Also, each senator used to have two quill pens placed on their desk each day (today they are pencils). BTW, the other pro tempore image I just linked, plus the speaker of the house one, are embedded bitmaps in the PDF. The uploaded versions look like extracted bitmaps, and not just screenshots. You could try using vectormagic.stanford.edu to convert them (and other logos); it usually does a noticeably better job than either Inkscape or Illustrator from the little bit I've tried it. At the very least it would be a good starting point. They support EPS and SVG downloads... for whatever reason, I get smaller file sizes by downloading the EPS then using Illustrator to convert to SVG, but either way should work. Carl Lindberg (talk) 19:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure about Stanford's vector generator: it seems to produce rough edged letters, unlike, say the already uploaded House seal. I think that Stanford may be useful for a start, but things like lettering may be better done by insertion of text manually. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 21:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
They pretty much all look good. Going back to the VP seal though... Executive Order 10823 defines the Presidential seal, and Executive Order 11884 defines the VP seal. You're right, they are nearly identical. The differences are in the inscription, and the VP seal has no ring of stars, and in a few colors: the VP seal has gray arrows (instead of proper), a gray scroll (instead of white), gray cloud puffs (instead of proper), and gray mullets (instead of argent). So... using gray may be more important than just an artistic choice. Otherwise though, I think they all look good. Carl Lindberg (talk) 18:21, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think they're all done (?), and the back of the Great Seal can wait untill we find a PDF with a vector version of it, or failing that someone lists it here again after a few months. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 20:09, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I changed my mind. I've decided that the reverse of the Great Seal is important enough for me to undertake it as a sort of patriotic cause. If I can make it at the same quality as the PNG above, it will probably be my crowning achievement. We'll see how it goes. -- I. PankoninReview me!00:09, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is probably easily the most productive request I've ever seen here, I'll have to give you all a , so you can all take a petal and leave the center for the lab itself ;D. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 17:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: Can someone please make a vector drawing of the demon wielding the sword (right) for the infobox of the aforementioned article? I would like it if the blue sky and grass were used in the new pic, but I'll leave that up to the graphist who takes on the task.-- Ghostexorcist (talk) 11:12, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion: Seems like a lot of work to vectorize a complex character from scratch for a single article. Would you be satisfied if somebody cropped it instead? I'd bet Sagredo could take out the cow and make it look good. -- I. PankoninReview me!09:50, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I thought of that myself, but I believe it is against policy to have an image that is a cropped version of another image already on wikipedia. Vector drawings for a single article have been done before. The picture in the info box on Zhou Tong (archer) is a vector image isolated from a larger picture present further down in the article. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 14:06, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The image can be cropped either between the demon and the figure with the upraised arms, or between the figure (with upraised arms) and the cow. What remains of the cow can be easily removed from either. I am unaware of any policy that does not allow use of crops in this fashion. It looks like a tough draw in vectors, and the result might look quite different from the original. The face looks difficult, and the body would need someone great at shading. Cropping and cleanup could be done in a couple of days. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄17:21, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This tag {{duplicate}} is not the exact one I am thinking of, but it is similar to one I saw sometime ago that forbade cropping, but I'm sure you guys know better about this stuff than I do. Just crop it with the man and the demon and erase the cow. Please make sure to make the cropping a separate pic since the whole pic is present on 3 different articles. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 21:03, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The license tag on the original needs a fair use rationale, although I would think that the images are PD-OLD. In the U. S. copyrights last only 50 years after the death of the author. If this applies to Indian works, you'd be free to upload a higher resolution version. Chris is the expert on making the fair use thing fly. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄01:25, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The picture was originally published in 1912 according to a book on Indian paintings of Hindu deities. However, this is odd since the painter supposedly died in 1906. I don't know if it falls under a country-specific PD-OLD Tag. The picture is the highest resolution I could find. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 02:11, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Looks great, the copy-vio nazis can't touch us now! (It is possible that it wasn't published until after the artist died.) It's an interesting piece, too bad about the resolution. it won't take long. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄06:23, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That was a bit too much noise for me. The only thing I was able to do was to reduce the noise in the chroma channels, other steps resulted in Van Gogh. →AzaToth00:01, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: lighten for contrast, I am finding a bunch of these, thankfully I have both good and not-so-good monitors to see from during the course of a day. -- Chris (クリス) (talk) 14:34, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I uploaded it as a new file, since that guy loved the dark one so much. If you prefer it you can use my bright one. Sorry to have made incorrect assumptions; would I be invading your privacy if I asked what they were? ----SeansPotato Business11:46, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: SVGify and sharpen the stars. Note that the copyright status of this particular image is a bit strange: The flag itself is definitely old enough to be out of copyright (As well as a Federal production), however this version came from FotW (Noncommercial). Since the image could certainly be done in a (copyright) free way, the assertion in the fairuse rationale that it is "irreplaceable" is certainly erroneous. Given that, and the tendency of fairuse partolling around here, the .GIF will probably be deleted soon after an SVG is created (Hopefully not before that!). 68.39.174.238 (talk) 00:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion:
Isn't a jpg the most suitable format for a photo? Wont PNG be too large? I would have done it already, but you didn't specify a suitable name (and I still wonder why you can do these yourself). ----SeansPotato Business17:12, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You don't know me, in order to warrant an answer. Do the image or don't, but I will not answer your rudeness, you and I have no history such that you are owed anything. This place was a lot friendlier when everyone did what they could, without questioning what everyone else was doing. Deeply sorry that has changed. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 01:29, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the graphist should simply do the image or not. Chris's reasons for bringing in easy images are his own, there is no need for an interrogation. Chris is absolutely right that the lab was a lot more fun AND PRODUCTIVE not long ago. See [18] which given there's a surplus of graphists, makes Chris the most valuable person to the lab. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄04:10, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well the more mysterious you act about it, the more curious I get. Sorry if my curiosity is tantamount to rudeness in your book; if you'd said in the first instance that you didn't want to answer, then I'd not have asked a second time. I was only trying to see if you would try it yourself, improving your skills and productivity with respect to Wikipedia. I figured whatever the reason was, I'd be able to help overcome it. I was just trying to help --SeansPotato Business11:10, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sagredo, thanks for understanding, I don't think I'm the most important guy, you guys are doing all the heavy lifting, I just keep you stocked. :) The image is great, cute name, much more concise ;), marking as done! Thanks! Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 04:51, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: This my first attempt at drawing a diagram and it's a perfect storm of why you shouldn't draw diagrams with a) little to no artistic talent b) on a crummy laptop touchpad and c) with truly pitiful illustrator experience. I've uploaded an 'SVG' file here. For some reason the svg messes up the text. I just want it to be... prettier, and more systematic. If the cells could be made to look vaguely like they are portrayed elsewhere on the site (like here, it would be amazing! Thanks! I also have the .ai file, if that helps, but I can't put it on wikipedia. -- Cacofonie (talk) 04:15, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, Adobe really did a number on that text. Placing each letter individually, and badly. Anyway, I fixed the text up, but I still want to do a bit of redrawing. --Slashme (talk) 08:08, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have now re-drawn the picture from scratch in inkscape. I'm also not a real graphic artist, so it's not picture perfect, but let me know what you think --Slashme (talk) 10:09, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That looks awesome slashme! Just a couple nitpicks: Probably won't displayed at full size in the article, so it'd be nice the arrows and receptors were a little thicker so they'd be legible when scaled down. Secondly, where are the two main arrows pointing to the two options? Those are pretty key to conceptual understanding of the diagram. Other than that, it really does look great.. thanks!--Cacofonie (talk) 20:21, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I made the arrows thicker, and added arrows pointing to the options, but I am slightly doubtful about that: Does the cell start out by presenting the foreign protein, and then have its MHC I downregulated, or does the pathogen downregulate the MHC I from the start, so that the antigen is never presented in the first place? --Slashme (talk) 00:57, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It might depend on the pathogen, and the exact mechanism used to disable MHC I surface expression. It is conceivable, (and highly probable) that some host cells endure MHC I downregulation before they even get around to expressing an antigen from the pathogen. This could be purely due to chance, since even if the pathogen takes some time to upregulate its MHC I-disrupting factors, the MHC I machinery may simply not encounter a pathogen-derived molecule that it can process and present (since we're talking about perhaps tens of thousands of infected host cells). I personally, see no reason to change the diagram to further reflect the possibility of MHC I downregulation before pathogen-derived molecule presentation. The receptors might still need thickening though. --SeansPotato Business14:12, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Difficult to tell without checking it at the intended on-screen resolution but something else is that in the original, the blocked arrows were a bit thinner, plus I felt that the red "blocking cross" was more prominent with the circle around it. --SeansPotato Business12:44, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: -- This was my first ever attempt at a SVG file, but I've clearly done something wrong. The image appears to have made it onto the server, as when you click on the empty space where it should be it opens up, but it won't display within the article itself - what have I done wrong..........? ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion:
Right, first of all the reason it wasn't showing up at all in wikipedia is that you left the image that you traced from in there, because MediaWiki couldn't find the image, it left an error so that's why altogether it wouldn't show. After you got rid of the image, the next reason it wouldn't show was because the fill of the graph, although was black, was transparent, so you saw right through it ( :-) ). I appreciate you are trying to help by creating SVG, my first SVG was a disaster, but now I am much better.
I can see you have created the image in excel and traced it in inkscape. However, tracing an image like this is very ineffecient, creating a high filesize which is not so useful. You can also tell it has been traced by lkie on the text, the borders of it are not straight. A better way to do it is
1) Trace the image yourself, creating rectangles for each 'bar' on the graph, using the text tool to create the labels, and the path tool to create the axis.
That or a ribbon... I don't know if it's even defined, all the descriptions of it I've heard just say "female arm". It might be worth asking on RDH if there's a specific Nepal national understanding of what that would be. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 19:21, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Here it is. Thanks for bringing this one in, Chris (???), it was fun. Thanks also to [[[Special:Contributions/68.39.174.238|68.39.174.238]] for your help and info. (The wrist object turned out to be bracelets made of small beads sewn together.) Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄01:51, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: -- The image above is my attempt at photostitching three images together. It doesn't look too bad but my middle photo has a much lighter blue for the sky so I had to crop off a lot of the top to minimize the effect this had on the overall photo. So, I'm asking that if anyone can make a better photostitch, please, go for it. If not, then ignore this request. The three photos can be found at:
Graphist opinion: I wish I had time to play with this. But I would make a suggestion. Next time you
shoot with the intention of stitching the images together, use manual exposure settings, (of course the same ones.) Then your colors should match exactly. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄03:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Good tip. I'm using a P&S camera and I've never played with manual exposure settings but I'll practice with it until I can get out and shoot again.?NMajdan•talk13:03, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Request: A vector version of the map above, probably using the second map here? (But personally I think the boundaries in map 2 ain't that great...) Please and thank you -- escondites16:44, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion: Thanks for bringing it to us. I don't think the svg will work, it appears to be railroads. Perhaps for the outer boundaries, and draw the inner boundaries from the third image. I have 2 other things in my queue, and shouldn't take any more right now. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄07:40, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Here is this one, let me know if you would like a different projection, or different colours, or numbers, words etc.: Also if you have any other maps you need in SVG and there is a shapefile available, don't hesitate to ask, because it only takes a minute. Jackaranga (talk) 00:30, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I tried to use Ogis2svg, I had successfully used it before but it didn't seem to work this time, I think the shapefile may not have been one of the kind it can convert, so I used ArcMap. Jackaranga (talk) 02:21, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Here are two possibilities. The first is the Inkscape trace after cleaning up and smoothing (somewhat) the
lines in Photoshop. The second is after Inkscape's simplify path function. Tell me what you think. Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄23:38, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sometimes I have to do things the hard way, when the easy would have been better. This is better, don't you think? (Do you want a clear background?)_ Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄03:16, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As well you shouldn't. You should really resist these urges to be pushy and rude, they don't make this place any friendlier or easier to work together. For the record, once and for all, drop it, mind your business and not others. Chris (??? • ????) (talk) 22:53, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sean, on this page humor is best done in a self-deprecating manor, and certainly should not be done as even a small jab in a place that has proven to be sensitive in the past. You really owe Chris an apology, actually a couple of them, Sagredo⊙☿♀♁♂♃♄00:25, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]