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Category:Russian city of residence user templates

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 15:22, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: ⁠
  1. At the moment, there is no need for specific "of residence" category. It is the only subcategory of Category:Russia user templates.
  2. Userboxes in the category allow customization (advertized on documentations subpages) to include any verb phrase, not just "lives in". —⁠andrybak (talk) 17:35, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Works by Bella Thorne

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The result of the discussion was: keep. MER-C 09:12, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary parent. Subcats sufficiently interlinked. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 16:40, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So basically, you're saying we should create thousands of "works by" categories for any music artist with "Foo albums" and "Foo songs" categories. This has never been done that way before when there is such minimal content. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 17:40, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:OCEPON. Not my words, just our usual guideline. There are two categories here and an argument can be made to delete one of them, but you've nominated the wrong one. Andy Dingley (talk) 18:50, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There's been a scheme of "albums by artist" and "songs by artist" for years but never one that places the two in a "works by" parent category. Both this and Category:Bella Thorne should be deleted due to minimal content and established precedent. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 18:55, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
established precedent Then cite it. WP:OCEPON disagrees. We don't need two container cats for this much content (although see Category:Cardi B below), but the guideline is clear as to which is favoured. Andy Dingley (talk) 19:03, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
As I pointed out at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 June 22#Category:Sinéad O'Connor, the "Works by..." tree works well for other fields, even with just two subcats: "See Category:Works by filmmaker or Category:Works by writer to see how the "works" tree can be correctly and effectively implemented. Category:Works by musician should aim to be as good as those." "And we certainly shouldn't be giving preference to an eponymous category over a works category per WP:OCEPON". --woodensuperman 08:20, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:KT Tunstall

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Works by KT Tunstall. MER-C 09:43, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:OCEPON. Subcategories already sufficiently interlinked. If this is not sufficient, then we should be using a "works by" category, not an eponymous one. --woodensuperman 14:46, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep or rename Our convention is to use "Works by ..." Deletion would do nothing to achieve this.
Note also that this is an obvious and bad faith reprisal to the CfD nomination above (albeit an incorrect CfD), for Category:Works by Bella Thorne (created by the nominator here) above. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:52, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No objection to a rename. Also, how can this be a reprisal to a nomination that was made after this one? Please don't assume bad faith on my part. --woodensuperman 08:02, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Tiny Tim (musician)

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 July 14#Category:Tiny Tim (musician)

Category:Bella Thorne

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 15:23, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:OCEPON --woodensuperman 12:53, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Jidenna

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:13, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:OCEPON. Subcats already interlinked --woodensuperman 12:44, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep or rename Our convention is to use "Works by ..." Deletion would do nothing to achieve this. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:52, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Pure overcategorization per WP:OCEPON and a "works by" parent to sufficiently interlinked subcategories is still overcategorization.
Please both read WP:OCEPON, and sign your posts. Andy Dingley (talk) 18:52, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oh heavens, I forgot to sign one post. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 18:56, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:OCEPON, note that we do not need a parent category when there is just a main article with an albums and songs subcategory because in that case all content is linked by the {{Songs by artist}} and {{Albums by artist}} templates already. The discography article may well be put in the albums category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:56, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Debby Ryan

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 July 14#Category:Debby Ryan

Category:Cardi B

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 15:24, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:OCEPON. --woodensuperman 12:42, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't need to go in an eponymous category. Per WP:OCEPON, very few people should have eponymous categories. One article is not sufficient. --woodensuperman 08:00, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean by an "eponymous category"? Category:Cardi B presumably, but do you include Category:Works by Cardi B in that too? Category:Cardi B albums‎ and Category:Cardi B songs as well? Andy Dingley (talk) 09:10, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Just the top level Category:Cardi B is an eponymous category, which needs to be discouraged per WP:OCEPON. --woodensuperman 09:55, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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