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December 17

Category:Classification

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Category:Historical simulation games

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Category:Films released by the Criterion Collection

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:18, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Films released by the Criterion Collection (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Per discussion from a similar category in the past(see Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_January_16#Category:Criterion_Collection) over 10(!) years ago. Although I admire the brand and everything it involves, the category is pretty much promotional for material for the Criterion Collection, its not the same as studio producing and developing films on their own. Basically, it's the same reason we don't have the category for Oprah's Book Club, etc. Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:06, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I created the category just earlier, and wasn't aware of the 2006 discussion until just now. Those who supported its deletion back then made some fair points. Personally I think it's a bit of a shame, as I find the category format to be far more navigable than the current list article for Criterion Collection releases, but the line must be drawn in the sand somewhere. –Matthew - (talk) 17:16, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I personally do agree with my own personal use for the category, but even the list of criterion releases has been nominated for deletion once. I just figured I'd nominate it before you invest too much energy into it. :) Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:18, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per previous discussions. I understand your point MH (and I own several hundred of their titles) but WP:CATDEF comes into play as a CC release is not a defining characteristic of the original film(s). I do wish the list article hadn't become so unwieldy but this CFD is not about that. MarnetteD|Talk 18:25, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and the above comments. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 20:39, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Yellowface in Film

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Category:Types of websites

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The result of the discussion was: merge. to Category:Websites (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:33, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Types of websites (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Random categorization of types of things JoeGo4999 (talk) 15:28, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support. But merge into Category:Websites (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Rathfelder (talk) 20:54, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support merge, it does contain website types, but normally we would only create a types category when the parent category directly contains lots of articles about individual sites, which is not the case here. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:22, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category: American trade unionists of German descent

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 05:55, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Category:American trade unionists of German descent
Nominator's rationale In general we have gotten rid of almost all intersection categorizes between specific Euro-American descents and occupations. I see no compelling reason to categorize by this overlap. In this case all three articles are currently in Category:German emigrants to the United States so a straight upmerge would only lead to category clutter.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:50, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and populate this and siblings -- This ought to be dealt with as part of a wider discussion of Category:American trade unionists by ethnic or national origin, where the Afro-Americans, Italians, and Irish are well-populated; 6 Polish; and most of the rest under 5. Would such a category be useful to someone researching American trades-unionism? I recall that Carnegie's United Steel recruited immigrants from a succession of European countries to break strikes by his previous workforce. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:12, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom - I'm not a fan of the WP:OVERCATEGORISATION that some like, and for this kind of thing we have intersection tools. More generally, the whole "descent" thing can be hard to source reliably, and it's debatable how relevant somebody's great-grandfather is to their activities today. Also the whole concept of "Germany" is kinda fluid before the 20th century, Carnegie's strike-breakers were not born in Germany as we know it.Le Deluge (talk) 19:19, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support, trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:25, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment intersection categories of these types need to stand or fall on their own. That for some other anceestry/ethnicity this is a notable intersection does not have any bearing on this. The question is can you create an article American trade unionists of German descent that is more than just a list?John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:53, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Members of the Order of the Crown of Thailand

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:31, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Members of the Order of the Crown of Thailand (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This had already been deleted (as empty) by the time this discussion took place in 2018. Had it existed at the time, it would have been deleted for the same reasons as the other sub-categories of Category:Order of the Crown of Thailand. Those reasons are clearly laid out in the previous discussion, so I'm not going to rehash them here. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 13:12, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete (as nominator of previous discussion). I'd meant to wait for the G4s to be carried out before nominating this category; thanks for taking care of it. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:54, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:27, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Norwegian awards

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The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 05:51, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:King's Medal of Merit to Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of Norway
Propose merging Category:St. Olav's Medal to Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of Norway

Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, each of the categories only contains the eponymous article and a subcategory of recipients. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:41, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Merge -- There never can be any content except a recipients subcat and the main article, so that a merger of some kind is inevitable. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:38, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Monegasque awards

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The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 05:52, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Order of Grimaldi to Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of Monaco
Propose merging Category:Order of Saint-Charles to Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of Monaco

Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, each of the categories only contains the eponymous article and a subcategory of recipients. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:41, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Merge -- There never can be any content except a recipients subcat and the main article, so that a merger of some kind is inevitable. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:39, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Greek awards

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The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 05:52, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Order of Honour (Greece) to Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of Greece
Propose merging Category:Order of the Phoenix (Greece) to Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of Greece

Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, each of the categories only contains the eponymous article and a subcategory of recipients. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:41, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Merge -- There never can be any content except a recipients subcat and the main article, so that a merger of some kind is inevitable. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:39, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Entertainment websites

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The result of the discussion was: no admin action required. MER-C 05:57, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Propose splitting Category:Entertainment websites to Category:Entertainment websites by topic and Category:Entertainment websites by nationality

Nominator's rationale: The organization of this category is crap. Split the subcategories into two main subcategories Category:Entertainment websites by topic and Category:Entertainment websites by nationality with the existing subcategories inside them. Do not delete this category itself. JIP | Talk 12:38, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

its not necessary to raise this here. If you want sub categories you can boldly create them. Though personally I dont find such intermediate categories useful, and particularly in this case where the "topics" dont have much in common. Rathfelder (talk) 14:36, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
As Rathfelder says; but it should be Category:Entertainment websites by country per Category:Websites by country. Oculi (talk) 20:12, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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This discussion can be closed as "no administrator action required", nominator can just create and populate the subcats. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:30, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Blogs about Christians and Christianity

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The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 04:17, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Blogs about Christians and Christianity to Category:Religious blogs

Nominator's rationale: One article, one sub category Rathfelder (talk) 20:57, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support in principle per WP:SMALLCAT, but also merge the article to Category:Works about Christianity that I just added as an additional parent category. Besides the first target needs to be renamed: it is about blogs about religion, not about religious blogs. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Do we think Category:Religious blogs and its subcategories are worth keeping? Would it be better to merge them into Category:Religious websites and its subcategories? There aren't many entries, other than the bloggers, and the Mormons, of which 24/31 entries are redirects. Rathfelder (talk) 16:00, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Even without bloggers and excluding redirects I count some 25 articles, that should be more than enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:44, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, the target has been nominated for rename, see here. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:16, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Further comment, the target has been renamed to Category:Blogs about religion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:56, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Native American blogs

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The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 06:03, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Native American blogs to Category:American blogs and Category:Native American media

Nominator's rationale: only 1 article Rathfelder (talk) 12:07, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:30, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - While I have nominated more than a few tiny categories for deletion, there are exceptions to the general rule. Consider the following, quoting directly from the article itself: The blog (Native Appropriations) is "maintained by Cherokee Nation scholar Adrienne Keene" who "observes that Native Americans are barely represented in mainstream media..." Readers browsing either of the parent cats would have no way of knowing from the article's title that it is a Native American blog. The least we can do is facilitate that by keeping this category. Anomalous+0 (talk) 12:28, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Doesnt keeping it in Category:Native American media achieve the same result? Are there more Native American websites, which could justify a category? Rathfelder (talk) 16:05, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If they're looking in that category, they won't know it's a blog. And if they're looking in the category for American blogs, they won't know it's Native American. Anomalous+0 (talk) 11:29, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If they'll be looking in Category:Native American media they'll very quickly see that Wikipedia has hardly any articles on Native American blogs, which is exactly the case. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:51, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Controversial parrots

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:38, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Controversial parrots to Category:Controversial parrot taxa

Nominator's rationale: Clarity and consistency with Category:Controversial bird taxa etc. An upmerge to that category is also an option. DexDor^(talk) 06:39, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:50, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Songs written by Carey Elmore Morgan, Jr.

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Category:Museum Educators

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:41, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Museum Educators to Category:Museum educators

Nominator's rationale: MOS:TITLECASE Largoplazo (talk) 03:10, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:43, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support rename (and sorry but I can't help but notice the poor quality, promotional, CV-like state of nearly all articles in this category. ) --Animalparty! (talk) 04:19, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Acraea (genus)

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:25, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Acraea (genus) to Category:Acraea (butterfly)

Nominator's rationale: C2D The main article has been renamed to match with the disambiguator used by most others in the series. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 00:30, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Question, the header of the main article suggests this is outdated classifiication. So should we keep the category? Marcocapelle (talk) 03:54, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Good question. That means that another person published the same name invalidly. It doesn't mean that this name is wrong. Thanks, SchreiberBike | ⌨ 04:53, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom and to reduce the risk that editors incorrectly put the category in Category:Genera. DexDor^(talk) 21:12, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Category name should match main article. Plantdrew (talk) 20:52, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:School shields

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