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Category:People associated with the history of African-American civil rights
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Nominator's rationale: vague category scope, delete per WP:OCASSOC. Perhaps part of the category content might be listified, but due to its vagueness the category has for example also attracted James Bonard Fowler who should be neither in a civil rights category nor in a civil rights list. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:23, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Empty manually then delete like many ASSOC categories this is a hotchpotch, with little coherence and no clear boundary. I sampled several articles and found a woman who achieved tenure in a university, a civil rights milestone; an opponent of Black civil rights; and victims of persecution (news of which stimulated the campaign). These all need more specific categories, some of which probably exist. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:34, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, and Fowler fits this category because it is about the history of the movement, not about movement participants and activists. Bull Connor fits here as well. Randy Kryn (talk) 21:08, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I was expecting a bunch of historians rather than participants given its title. Removing the "history of" wording, that would leave anyone "associated" with African-American civil rights, it would seem to mean everyone who did anything with regard to the subject to be included: everyone who attended or spoke at any of the rallies or wrote on the subject whether in the 1760s, 1860s, 1960s, to today. And of course, those who beat them, enslaved them, or otherwise took the contrary position. Does Colin Kaepernik get included? What about those who are organizing boycotts of Nike? Too attenuated, like most "associated with" categories. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 02:28, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I see your point, and a good idea. This one does actually include everyone who, say, sent in a donation, or wrote a printed letter-to-the editor. There should probably be new categories, as you suggest, with appropriate names, so that Bull Connor would, if the category under discussion is deleted, at least be listed in a category pertaining to his most notable topic. Categories such as historians, as you suggest, and maybe 'Opponents of the 1950s and 1960s Civil Rights Movement' (but notice that the name is now Civil rights movement). I personally will not create and name something which includes the proper noun 'Civil Rights Movement' and purposely use the incorrect lower-casing (although this is where the name sits now on Wikipedia except for the correctly named WikiProject:Civil Rights Movement). And again, a good idea, Carlossuarez46, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 17:19, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose I created this as part of a scheme to cater for "by country". A scheme already exists for "by Roman province" and "by region". With the exception of Cyprus, no modern state is co-terminous with a Roman province or region. Anatolia only covers two thirds of Turkey. Modern Turkey, apart from the many provinces in Anatolia, also encompasses provinces in Roman Syria, Roman Mesopotamia and Roman Armenia. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:17, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that the nomination is withdrawn, but I would prefer a wording along the line of what I proposed for Israel (since, Turkey, too, didn't exist in the Roman era), perhaps a rename to something like Category:History of Turkey during the Roman era, so we understand that it's part of the history of Turkey (the currently defined area of land) during a period that it didn't participate in as a the modern polity. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 02:31, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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