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Category:Converts to Roman Catholicism from Evangelicalism

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Converts to Catholicism from Evangelicalism. ℯxplicit 00:39, 20 August 2018 (UTC) closure reverted. Unbeknownst to me, this was simultaneously listed at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 August 15#Category:Converts to Roman Catholicism from Evangelicalism, where the discussion is leading to a very different result. ℯxplicit 23:54, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per Category:Catholic Church, ultimately per Catholic Church, as well as Category:Evangelicalism - per Evangelicalism. Chicbyaccident (talk) 12:23, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Catholicism

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The result of the discussion was:  Relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 August 20#Category:Catholicism. ℯxplicit 00:39, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per main article, further supported by that actual Catholicism article redirects to Catholicity. Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:52, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - we need a term more inclusive than Catholicism, which redirects to Catholic Church, which has recently become synonymous with the Roman Catholic Church, on Wikipedia if not in fact. (It is Catholicism (term) which redirects to Catholicity.) Oculi (talk) 17:50, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, they are completely different terms. While Catholicism is most commonly associated with the faith and practices of the Catholic Church led by the Pope in Rome, the traits of Catholicity, and thus the term Catholic, are also claimed and possessed by other denominations such as the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Oriental Orthodox Church, the Assyrian Church of the East. It also occurs in Lutheranism, Anglicanism, as well as Independent Catholicism and other Christian denominations. This text isn't invented by myself, I've merely copied it from the Catholicity article which I haven't personally edited. In my own words: Catholicism is a religious movement (with the Catholic Church as its best known formal organization), while Catholicity is a claim by multiple religious movements. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:32, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have not seen the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Oriental Orthodox Church, the Assyrian Church of the East, Lutheranism or broad Anglicanism. Thee is just one particular part of Anglicanism that quite strongly identifies with Catholicism (not Catholicity). Marcocapelle (talk) 03:45, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
In addition to the comment of Oculi, please note Category:Independent Catholicism, and Category:Anglo-Catholicism. Everything is alright. Chicbyaccident (talk) 12:54, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Institutes of Roman Catholic religious brothers

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 21:11, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: While at it, per further below. Chicbyaccident (talk) 21:57, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Roman Catholic cardinals

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Cardinals (Catholic Church). ℯxplicit 00:39, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Destination category a disambiguation category. While I guess one could argue that the cardinals of the Catholic Church don't hold WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the article name Cardinal, that would be harder to do with the destination category name. I fail to see that there is encyclopedical relevance to motivate a category with biographical articles on individual cardinal birds. Dismbiguation categories should exist restrictively. This one case where it should be given up and instead deal with biographical articles on cardinals of the Catholic Church. Also in consistency with Category:Cardinals by century, Category:Cardinals by country, and‎ Category:Cardinals by nationality.‎ Chicbyaccident (talk) 21:44, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'd support that as a secondary best option. Including subcategories (feel free to nominate?). Chicbyaccident (talk) 00:04, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The College of Cardinals of the Roman Catholic Church is not the unambiguous primary topic of "Cardinals". For good reason: ask an average American what are "cardinals" and he or she would likely respond something about St. Louis in the Summer and Arizona in Winter (and not talking about migratory birds, either). Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:37, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alternative alternative rename per main article. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:36, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I guess you are referring to Category:Catholic cardinals then? Chicbyaccident (talk) 22:24, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:21st-century movements

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 21:12, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Movement is a disambiguation page for e.g. Social movements and Art movements. Presumably this category is meant for social movements and should not be mixed with art movements. If renamed, the category should also be reparented, to Category:History of social movements. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:03, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Roman Catholic Church sex abuse cases in North America

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The result of the discussion was: rename. ℯxplicit 00:39, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per below. Chicbyaccident (talk) 08:45, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I think that makes sense. However, I'm uncertain whether merged proposal can be applied to the other ones. There might be percussions of individual proposals that I haven't thought about. That said, I won't protest if someone else insists on a merge, though. Chicbyaccident (talk) 22:04, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Catholic Church in the United Kingdom (per main article Catholic Church in the United Kingdom) doesn't seem to support that assertion, does it? Chicbyaccident (talk) 14:25, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Hospitals affiliated with the Roman Catholic Church

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 21:12, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per below. Chicbyaccident (talk) 08:45, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Hospitals formerly affiliated with the Roman Catholic Church

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 21:13, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per below. Chicbyaccident (talk) 08:45, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church

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The result of the discussion was: rename. ℯxplicit 00:39, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per below. Chicbyaccident (talk) 08:45, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Roman Catholic church in Overseas France

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 21:13, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per below. Chicbyaccident (talk) 08:45, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Roman Catholic church in fiction

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 21:14, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per below. Chicbyaccident (talk) 08:45, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Roman Catholic church in the Northern Territory

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 21:14, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per below. Chicbyaccident (talk) 08:45, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Territorial prelatures of the Roman Catholic Church

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Territorial prelatures. ℯxplicit 00:39, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per below. Chicbyaccident (talk) 08:45, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
In fact, this one could even be renamed to Category:Territorial prelatures per consistency with Category:Military ordinariates (and its previous equivalent discussion). Chicbyaccident (talk) 10:36, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Roman Catholic Church sex abuse scandal in Oceania

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 21:14, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D: Catholic Church; WP:C2C: Category:Catholic Church. Chicbyaccident (talk) 08:43, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Esperanto movement in Iran

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Esperanto in Iran. ℯxplicit 00:39, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT. No need to merge, both organizations are already in Category:Esperanto organizations. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:42, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Roman Catholic nursing orders

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 21:15, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per below. Chicbyaccident (talk) 08:40, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Presidents of IEA

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering 21:15, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:33, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Former members of Roman Catholic religious institutes

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 21:16, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per below. Chicbyaccident (talk) 08:31, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Renaming establishments by century from "Roman Catholic" to "Catholic" (17 categories)

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 21:16, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per below. Chicbyaccident (talk) 08:31, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thanks. Feel free should you believe any of the other nominations could be combined as well. Chicbyaccident (talk) 10:34, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If these all pass and you have more, you might look at doing some group nominations. Thanks for your cleanup efforts. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:42, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@RevelationDirect: I'm a fraid a collaborational effort will still be needed. By the way, have you considered contributing to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Catholicism)? Chicbyaccident (talk) 17:10, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Founders of Roman Catholic religious communities

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 21:17, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per consistency. Otherwise unexplainaed exception in otherwise thouroughly consistent category tree under Category:Catholic orders and societies. Chicbyaccident (talk) 08:28, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Excuse, it is a bit clear which "and all of the above" you are referring to. Would you mind making the effort to specifically indicate support above individually, please? Chicbyaccident (talk) 22:25, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Esperanto workers movement

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The result of the discussion was:  Relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 August 20#Category:Esperanto workers movement. ℯxplicit 00:39, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, as it is entirely unclear what Esperanto workers movement means. No need to merge, because 4 articles are already in Category:German Esperantists and the other 2 articles already in Category:Esperanto organizations. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:24, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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