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The result was delete. JForget 02:55, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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I can't find significant coverage for this software. Joe Chill (talk) 19:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete concur, nothing on Google News and no reliable secondary sources on Google web search. CTJF83 chat 20:26, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:40, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete no sources no article. 16x9 (talk) 04:11, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete. Only one in-depth article here on InstantMessagingPlanet.com. Passing mentions [1] rediff, [2] a book. I wasn't able to find a source to verify the claim that it was the first IM to encrypt traffic. Pcap ping 06:39, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Notability seems to hang on whether it was the first IM to encrypt traffic. I haven't found a source verifying that. Pcap's notes (above) seem to establish its existence as of 2002. Potential starting points for further research on enterprise IM (in case someone wants to try harder to source the "first" claim):

On enterprise IM:

J. Rittinghouse and J. Ransome, Instant Messaging Security, Elsevier Digital Press, 2005. paywall, online copy from Elsevier book description

This is available for limited preview on google books. It makes no mention of SCIM, but it discusses only open standards, and no proprietary products. Pcap ping 21:28, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

On public IM:

M. Mannan and P. C. van Oorschot. Secure public Instant Messaging: A survey. In Proceedings of the 2nd Annual Conference on Privacy, Security and Trust (PST’04), pages 69–77, Fredericton, NB, Canada, Oct. 2004. [3].

No mention here either, and this paper does cover some more obscure products like IMSecure and iGo Incognito. Pcap ping 21:43, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Or maybe the folks who write Off-the-Record Messaging would know more about the history. Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 17:46, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

comment being the 'first' shouldn't be the hinge in many cases to say it is notable. Next thing will have first this first that articles. 16x9 (talk) 20:29, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on what the "first" is about. Encrypting network traffic was not at all novel when this product came about. SSL libraries, like SSLeay, the precursor to OpenSSL, were already available, so it wasn't even a lot coding. So, even if this was the first encrypting IM, it doesn't add a lot to notability in my view. Pcap ping 21:16, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, this article is only a couple of sentences, so if someone can come up with more convincing sources, it's not much work to recreate it. Pcap ping 21:43, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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