Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Programming with Big Data in R Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Programming_with_Big_Data_in_R
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Question: Would you please disclose whether you happen to be affiliated with pdbR? Your name indicates you might be Wei-Chen Chen. I've seen you promote this package and his articles all over Wikipedia... --188.98.216.174 (talk) 09:10, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Answer: Yes, name changed in personal page. Thank you for your time and contribution. Any editing from anyone to the page is welcome. Wccsnow (talk)
Keep There is no WP policy that states an article needs to be notable outside a given specialty. Instead the real criterion is whether (1) there are multiple independent in-depth reliable sources and (2) the article has surmountable problems. The article itself is well-written and well-cited. Most of the citations specifically about pbdMPI are primary, so the main question is whether there are RS available. Reference 25 is a tutorial by Raim, who I think is independent of the authors and reference 26, the CRAN task view by Eddelbuettel is almost certainly independent. The tutorial goes into a great deal of depth about pbdMPI and the task view has a paragraph about it, which is marginal for the in-depth criterion. Thus notability is marginal, but I am inclined toward keep because (1) a CRAN task view is a short list of the best R packages for a task and the presence of pbdMPI on the list indicates notability by itself and (2) notability for this new R package will only grow over time. Marginal notability and an article with no major problems suggests keeping the article. --Mark viking (talk) 22:20, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Keep although weak for me. Indeed, just because there is a narrow community of notability is not by itself grounds for deletion. The article does however, need to show it is notable by reliable sources outside of the group that produced it. There are all sorts of packages promoted by their own developers, and Wikipedia is not the place to promote them using assertions of those same developers. I agree with above arguments that notability is marginal but seems more likely than not to stand the test of time. However, I think the article itself has huge problems. Parts are OK but other parts include a HOWTO which might not belong. Worse is the over-use of inline raw URL links. Generally the body of the article should not have the raw URL links, but be in English with wikilinks on first use of each related term. If a term is not notable enough for its own Wikipedia article, then do not link it in the article, but put in external links section of the article on the term that it describes. The section order is also not up to standard. But those can be worked on if it stays. W Nowicki (talk) 20:18, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The article seems to have a strong advertisement bias (see above for the COI question), and we shouldn't start documenting all R packages on Wikipedia. It could probably be merged into some R related article, too. "Appeared in Sept. 2012" certainly does not indicate this is widely adopted yet, is it? --188.98.216.174 (talk) 09:15, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've just done a pass over the article, removing a lot of unrelated references (e.g. citing R; but since R has it's own wikipedia article, we don't need references for its existence!). Now very little references remain, in particular I didn't notice much independent third-party references on pdbR. Google Scholar doesn't find any either. So I'd say delete it for now, and maybe re-add it in 1-2 years when the test of time has proven it to be a commonly used package. --188.98.216.174 (talk) 10:11, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Delete. An average CRAN package, as far as I can tell. I see no indication of Wikipedia:Notability. This is and end-of-2012 and 2013 development, and has not received substantial attention yet even within the R community. As such, it lacks in "Significant coverage". The appropriate place for this as of now are CRAN and their homepage, not Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not meant to cover all 4688 CRAN packages... we can't even cover all of these in footnotes to the R article. That is exactly what CRAN is for, after all. --Chire (talk) 18:26, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Don't confuse pbdR with Rmpi. It's not Rmpi; but a competing approach! The articles citing pdbR are either authored by the pdbR authors, or refer to e.g. "Primary Budget Deficit as a Ratio (PBDR)", I could not find any independent reviewed references. --Chire (talk) 20:45, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
So what? Peer-reviewed papers "authored by their authors" are still relevant to establish notability from the moment they're published by scientific media. And there articles like this that are not by them. Diego (talk) 06:11, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.