Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Game Developers Session Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Game_Developers_Session

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The result was no consensus. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:55, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Normally I'd tag something like this for speedy deletion as spam, except that there's a non-promotional revision to revert to. Contested prod. Conference with no indication of notability. Primary sources only. None of the concerns were addressed by the deprodder. Delete.  Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 03:44, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Notability: as mention in the article, the conference is notable mainly to european game developers. Sources: there are many published articles about the conference, but unfortunately, as the native language of none of the countries participating is english, nor are these sources. Here's a few of them translated by google translator: [1], [2]. Promotion: to quickly expand the article, the last three paragpaphs were copied from the organizers web page - thus the text might be promotional. This can be easily repaired by editing. For the reasons explained above, I suggest that the article should NOT be deleted. Niky cz (talk) 04:32, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: Because the last three paragpaphs were copied from the organizers web page, I have deleted them as a copyright violation. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 14:21, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• It was no copyright violation, as the original publisher agreed to republishing. Niky cz (talk) 00:04, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Also, the sources you provided are primary, that is, they are affiliated with participants in the conference. Notability is not shown by 2K Czech's participation. It would be shown by evidence that 2K Czech's participation generated coverage by either media or academia that are affiliated with neither the organizers nor the participants. Like something in a major gaming magazine or webzine, excluding press releases. It doesn't have to be in English, but you do need to show that this kind of coverage exists. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 15:01, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy delete we don't want an article "copied from the organizers web page" Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:46, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• The article is not copied, only the paragraphs about the orginizer were. Niky cz (talk) 00:04, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. (Search video game sources) • Gene93k (talk) 20:18, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:18, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - There was some English language coverage at GameSpy[3] and Gamasutra[4]. Probably lots more coverage in German or Czech sources, such as the two links provided above. SharkD  Talk  21:37, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• The Gamespy referemce merely states that Game Developers Session was the venue where Klima first said what is stated in this article. It is not about the conference. Therefore it qualifies as trivial. As for the Gamasutra reference, the page is a collection of press releases from various sources. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 05:10, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Given that the GameSpy article is about a presentation that was held at the conference, I would not call it trivial coverage. And, the second article's content was written by the author at Gamasutra, so no they're not press releases. SharkD  Talk  05:58, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: I removed the contents with copyright concerns and expanded the article + added references. Niky cz (talk) 00:37, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - Here is some more English language coverage:

• Announcement at GameDev.net[5]
• One of many GDS presentations recorded on YouTube with 10000+ views[6]
• and here is an article in a major czech gaming magazine LeveL [7] (czech language)

Niky cz (talk) 09:42, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Forums are not reliable sources, since anyone can post in them. They certainly don't establish the notability of anything. The same thing goes for sites such as Youtube, and the number of views is quite simply not looked into here. What we're looking for is more stuff like what you found in LeveL. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 18:48, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• There is so much coverage in czech and other european languages that thare is just no need to post them here - just use a search engine. Here are the resulsts of searching the name of the conference on Seznam.cz (most commonly used czech search engine)[8]. I went quickly over the first 50 search resulst and EVERY single one of them is an article about this conference. Also, there is some coverage on czech public television. Niky cz (talk) 01:47, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• The discussions was a bit hard to follow due to formatting glitches. I tried to refactor it a little so that it's more readable. Also, it would be helpful if you could mention the German and Czech translations of the conference's name, if they exist, so that we could search under those alternate headings. SharkD  Talk  04:56, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• The czech subtitle of the conference is "Setkání nezávislých herních vývojářů" (meaning Meeting of independent game developers), but the title Game Developers Session (or simply GDS) is more commonly used in both Czech and Slovak countries. Not sure about the German translation as I dont speek german. Niky cz (talk) 04:19, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Wifione _....... ^{Leave a message} 11:41, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - it would be nice if a Czech media source could be posted - if something from the most reputable Czech newspaper could be posted that would be perfect (being English language is nice but not required). I'd take this as a reliable source - though I think another third party source is needed. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:29, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• I performed a search on the website of the LeveL magazine (arguably the most reputable czech gamming magazine) and found 26 articles either about the conference or refering to it in some other way. Here's the list of results[9]. And as an example here's one of the articles about the GDS conference year 2006[10] (this article discusses the day 2 of the conference and the lectures on math, graphics and game design given on that day). Niky cz (talk) 04:28, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep and tag with maintenance tags per updates made during AfD. --Teancum (talk) 14:40, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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