Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Apple Pugetsound Program Library Exchange Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Apple_Pugetsound_Program_Library_Exchange

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This seems to be a ~~local~~ Apple II user group that has at least four different articles about itself and its members. I am nominating all four of them together. These articles were all created by User:Callapple, a single-purpose account which is edted by the staff of the user group's magazine. Lovelac 7 22:53, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. —Lovelac 7 01:21, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. —Lovelac 7 01:21, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OPPOSE** Call APPLE was _AT THE TIME_ the major source of information about the Apple ][ computer - ANYWHERE. they were the source of almost all shared programs for the unit, as well as publishing many bits of documentation about the use of the apple i including some notes writen by steve the woz which apple themselves had not published. If y9ou want to delte them, you may as well delte mation of the apple ii. prepackaged software was in it's infancy when the apple ii came out and so call apple prvided a fill in of that gap, and probaly convinced many people that a home computer was viable, before IBM decided to look into the concept. As far as geography, I know I was a member, and I am closer to the East than the west coast, and in another country cmacd (talk) 01:55, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The group may not be "local", but that still does not make them notable. A Google search for "Apple Pugetsound Program Library Exchange" turns up 8,140 hits, and I have found nothing to show that A.P.P.L.E. is any more notable than dozens of other Apple II User Groups. Lovelac 7 02:30, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Apple Pugetsound Program Library Exchange, merge others into that article. A.P.P.L.E. was a hugely influential user group with professional-level publications. They are discussed in Roy A. Allan's A History of the Personal Computer, and numerous Google Books sources show them as the premier organization for supporting beginners in the Apple II, the largest supplier of public domain programs for Apples, and in A+, once one of the top Apple/Mac magazines. Given the pre-web nature of this organization it is unsurprising there is so little online, but what there is should be enough to show that it had a reach well beyond its local area. --Dhartung | Talk 04:41, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - and concur with Dhartung. I realize personal attestations don't meet the standards for reliable sources, but as an Apple ][ owner (I've still got my Apple IIgs lying around mothballed) the group's activity was far from local. And as a pre-internet organist ion, the sources for this are going to be harder to come by on the web. -- Whpq (talk) 12:22, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - A.P.P.L.E. was by far the largest Apple user group in existence in the 1980's and early 1990's. Their primary focus was the Apple II, but when the Macintosh was released, they began supporting it as well. While they were Seattle based, they had members all around the world. Their magazine, Call A.P.P.L.E., was professionally published and was up there in quality with other magazines of the time, such as Nibble, InCider, etc. A.P.P.L.E. is still the largest Apple II user group in existence and to delete their entry from Wikipedia would be incomprehensible to say the least. I suggest that before anybody suggests the deletion of a Wikipedia article, they do a little research first. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by SteveODNet (talk • contribs) 03:47, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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