Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive355 Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive355

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User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Hipal (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 17:09, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested

Cortador (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

WP:CT/AP WP:CT/BLP

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 07:24, 14 May 2025 20:38, 14 May 2025 20:55, 14 May 2025 15:11, 22 May 2025 Edit warring that obstructs article cleanup
2. 07:25, 14 May 2025 08:19, 14 May 2025 21:08, 14 May 2025 Treating WP:CON as a vote rather than focusing on content (WP:FOC) and content policies, WP:BATTLE mentality.
3. 17:20, 15 May 202518:35, 15 May 2025 WP:IDHT, failure to WP:AGF, failure to FOC, failure to WP:READFIRST - ignores that only the first ten sources had been reviewed at this point
4. 19:15, 15 May 2025 failure to AGF, failure to FOC, obstruction of article cleanup
5. 20:49, 19 May 2025 Refusal to address article content problems as described in detail in talk page discussion and FOC, failure to AGF, BATTLE mentality.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

1. 12:49, 29 January 2021 16:36, 31 May 2023 05:40, 2 May 2024 Escalating blocks/bans for edit-warring

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Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I believe that the evidence here, and past discussions with others on his talk page, demonstrates violations of most if not all of Wikipedia:Contentious topics#Editing a contentious topic

Re Black Kite's comment [1]: I agree. Refactored.[2] I shouldn't have mentioned the tag at that point. --Hipal (talk) 22:58, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

17:10, 22 May 2025

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This issue started because Hipal kept adding whole-article tags to Hasan Piker, when this discussion 1 had made it clear that Hipal was the only editor supporting the tags, whereas at least six other editors (LittleJerry, Bluethricecreamman, jonas, CeltBrowne, Alenoach, and myself) disagreed with the addition. The talk page consensus was clear, so I removed the tags. Hipal also made other edits against talk page consensus, as per this discussion. 2.

Following that, Hipal started this discussion 3 where they made it clear that their intend was not assess issues with the article and then add appropriate tags, but instead add tags and then look for a justification afterwards. Evidence for this is is that when Hipal stated that they planned to add the tag again, they only had found one issue with one source, which was missing an author, but speculated that there had to be nine other sources with issues ("That's one in ten, so I'm extrapolating that there are some nine more."). Hipal also falsely claimed that nobody was objecting to this when Ratgomery and myself did, both on the talk page ("As there are no objections based upon the state of the article, the tag should be restored.") and in a diff description 4 ("no dispute over content problems identified"). Lastly, Hipal admitted to this in their statement here, where they stated that "only the first ten sources had been reviewed at this point". It is not appropriate to demand the addition of whole-article tags after only having reviewed ten sources out of (as of the making of this statement) 104 sources. This, in my opinion, further demonstrates that it was Hipal's intend to just have the tag there instead of providing evidence that it is needed.

They also attempted to revert the burden of proof, stating on the talk page that "No one has indicated that no further problems remain to be found". Demanding that whole-article tags be added until proven that they aren't needed is an abuse of tags.

I'm willing to assume good faith with other editors. However, this does has limits, and those include editing against clear talk page consensus as well as openly stating that it is one's intend to simply have tags on the article and search for a reason after adding them, which is disruptive behaviour. Cortador (talk) 19:47, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This issue was just discussed at ANI a few days ago.

Hipal was asked to drop the stick and communicate the specifics of their issue with the article using specific examples, not generalities or guesses. The filing of this request for enforcement suggests that this advice was not taken. I believe that the request is a waste of administrator's time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MilesVorkosigan (talk • contribs) 11:36 May 22 2025 (UTC)

Hipal stated on my talk page that they had made (at least) two specific comments about the article and what was needed for it, one was on May 15 and it was addressed. The other diff goes to May 3 and as far as I can tell is Hipal saying that editors who wanted to remove the tag were not displaying competence. I don't see how that is helpful for their position, but there it is. MilesVorkosigan (talk) 19:52, 23 May 2025 (UTC)  [reply]

Commenting because Hipal has also left me an edit warring notice over a revert regarding these tags, and because I was named in the discussion. Incase it's been overlooked, let me point out there are 3 talk page discussions regarding this exact issue in total, as I believe only one of these discussions has been referenced so far. [| POV_and_BLP_sources_tags] , [| Disruptive_Editing_and_Removals] as well as [| Complete_citations_needed] which has already been linked. Hipal has engaged with a large number of editors over these tags.

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• I have to say I'm spectacularly unimpressed by Talk:Hasan_Piker#Complete_citations_needed, but with the filer of this AE. I would have expected that someone with 139,000 edits would know how tags work, and it certainly isn't, when you find one sub-par citation out of ten, to post this. Black Kite (talk) 21:59, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Miles seems correct, this is a continuation of Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1187#Disruptive tagging and editing against talk page consensus by Hipal, moved to a different noticeboard. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:28, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Will close this as a content dispute if there's no proposal for sanctions against either party in the next day or so. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 11:06, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Concur with Tamzin - this appears to be a content dispute to me. Ealdgyth (talk) 11:58, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Berchanhimez (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 03:33, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested

The Final Bringer of Truth (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics 2

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 5/30 Accusing another editor of vandalism in the edit summary to try and not be accused of edit warring (even though they were)
   1. The edit warring notice they were given.
2. 5/30 Calling others "too many bad faith editors...who want to lean on their pointless knowledge of wikilawyering to manipulate process".
3. 5/30 Accusing others of being "right wing editors who think they own the article and that anything not taken from congressional republican press release is NPOV".
4. 5/31 "Just take your L and move on. You’re embarrassing yourself" - personalizing it and being rude to others.
5. 5/30 clear admission they're just here to RGW of what they see as corruption in the current/prior Trump administrations.
6. 5/30 calling something a "propaganda brochure" in the edit summary.
7. 5/30 claiming their remarks were "humor" (when in reality they were not, but were tendentious).
8. 5/28 accusing others of being "off wiki coordinators" in their edit summary.
9. 5/30 creates userpage wanting to "kill all the wiki-lawyers". Also accused people of "cosplaying that this is a court of law". Even if this was "humorous" as they claimed in another edit, this is absolutely unacceptable behavior.
10. Adding their first and second replies to this notice as diffs. I think they speak for themselves.
11. 5/31, after this case was filed - their conduct speaks for itself here.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

None.

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• Alerted about discretionary sanctions or contentious topics in the area of conflict, on 5/25.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

This is clearly an editor that does not intend to contribute constructively in this topic area. The diffs above show tendentious editing and personal attacks against other users (including calling them vandals). I've collected the most recent diffs, some of which happened after I gave them a clear warning that they needed to stop. They haven't stopped, and they've actually kept going. It's clear this editor is not here to constructively contribute to the AP2 topic area. If they are here to contribute constructively they should be required to display such by editing in other areas constructively first.

There are many more diffs - basically all of their edits either have an edit summary they're attacking others, or they are attacking others on the talk page with the edit. It's clear this user is here to right great wrongs and not to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. I apologize for not going even further back in their edits to get more of them, but virtually their entire edit history is clearly battleground in this topic area. I'm not advocating for a full wiki block at this point, but a topic ban from AP2 would be beneficial until they learn how to contribute constructively. Regards, -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 03:33, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Adding that I tried to give them one last chance to improve their behavior in the topic area, but they either chose to ignore the massive "you have new talkpage messages" notice, or they chose to ignore my attempt to give them one last chance. Thus, I ended up filing this report. For full clarity, I have not been directly involved with them in any discussions that I recall - I have simply observed their behavior on multiple pages and it is not acceptable. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 03:37, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@The Final Bringer of Truth: you may need to read being right is not enough. Your tone and conduct interacting with other editors is not appropriate. I will have no further comment to you (whether here or on your talk page). I will reply if other editors or admins ask me anything here. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 04:01, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not going to reply to the user's rebuttals because I think they speak for themselves - I'll let this user dig their own grave. If any admins or other users have any questions for me, I ask you please ping me because I'll probably stop watching this complaint otherwise. Regards, -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 04:45, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the user's response to this report, it's clear they are not here to build an encyclopedia, and I would further pose that their knowledge of policy/procedure strongly suggests they are a sock - whether they have simply engaged in log out/unregistered socking or otherwise. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 05:16, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

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I’ve never interacted with this individual in my life. I see nothing here but tone policing. Not once is article content mentioned. Does such a weak case even deserve an answer?

And my god, this is an encyclopedia, learn some Shakespeare

Also, the individual who I “accused” of off wiki coordination had themselves stated they were coordinating off wiki and cited an off wiki discussion as the reason for “boldly deleting an article.” This is very dishonest stuff. Be sure you understand a situation before opining. The editor cited an off wiki discussion as reason for “boldly removing” an article. I correctly advised that this is off wiki coordination and is unacceptable.

As for the accusation of vandalism, you be the judge of whether the following constitutes vandalism. An editor removed 3 reliable sources. After removing the sources, they then tagged the underlying sentence as needing citation. Then they deleted the sentence for needing a citation based on the tag, which they had deleted the citations. If this kind of behavior, like any vandalism, is allowed to stand, you cannot have an encyclopedia. This matter was discussed on multiple talk pages. The author of the enforcement request has had no involvement with the relevant pages and does not appear to have any understanding of the talk page discussions they are mentioning. They hope you will just take their word for what they say instead of actually reading them. Zero of the diffs cited by OP actually say what OP has falsely claimed they say. Again, this arb request has been made dishonestly and in bad faith and WP: Boomerang surely applies here.

You haven’t shown one poorly sourced or false or misleading edit I made to any article. Even someone seething with anger at me is unable to show a single bad edit I made. (Indeed, I always come armed to the teeth with sources and hew scrupulously to their content. I counsel OP to try doing the same.) All you’ve said is “I don’t like this guy’s tone!” That’s tone policing, is carried out in bad faith, and is a waste of time for all involved. Cheers friends

Maybe you need to read wikipedia is not therapy. We’re here to build an encyclopedia, not to soothe fragile egos and heal traumas The Final Bringer of Truth (talk) 04:12, 31 May 2025 (UTC) Moved comment to own section. Please comment and reply only in this section. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 04:33, 31 May 2025 (UTC) [reply]

This user’s tone isn’t nice either. I’m here to build an encyclopedia though. OP is here to police tone and has exhibited little to not interest in article content. The Final Bringer of Truth (talk) 04:48, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rebuttal All you have to do is learn the content of WP: Synth, Toffenham. What do you mean “let’s assume it was speculation”? I showed you why it is speculation. The articles you cited don’t make the claim you cite them to claim. Hence your addition of that claim is your personal speculation. It isn’t in the sources. In an encyclopedia, we rely on sources and what they say, not the personal theories of editors on what a source might imply. You can’t add in your personal inferences or speculations about the outcomes of hypotheticals. Any editor would tell you can’t do that. Please read the many patient explanations I gave you. The articles you cited don’t mention democrat deaths and hence can’t be used to make your synthetic claim that the democrat deaths did not affect the outcome! That’s your personal speculation! Please Read Synth already!

At no point have I have been “radio silent” you are willfully lying to the Arb board there. Your sources do not claim what you say. Notice also you claim you were suggesting article changes without having read the sources cited. The sources you cited do not mention democrat deaths. Hence you cannot rely on them to make an inference that republicans would have not abstained if Connolly et al hadn’t died. There is no source that says that. That is purely your speculation and has no business in an encyclopedia, and you’ve been wasting everyone’s time because you don’t understand what Synth is. Show me even one article with a direct quote that supports your position. The Final Bringer of Truth (talk) 04:34, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitration isn’t meant for complaints about tone either. This entire discussion is a bad faith waste of time and abuse of process. When you claim that “republicans would have voted differently if democrats hadn’t died” this is not a referenced claim, and this is not a claim that belongs in an encyclopedia. It is pure speculation. Read the sources, learn synth, and make better contributions to article space. That’s what matters. Not “tone” The Final Bringer of Truth (talk) 04:51, 31 May 2025 (UTC) Moved comments to own section. Please comment and reply only in this section. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 04:54, 31 May 2025 (UTC) [reply]

These editors have misrepresented edits to you, and have also been uncivil. At least I can say I positively contributed to articles and I was on the correct side. At least I can say I brought sources. All these 2 brought is dishonesty and incivility of their own . I care about improving the articles though not policing their condescension and dishonesty. They should follow my example or make way for editors who use sources in their edits The Final Bringer of Truth (talk) 05:05, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What did I say that was mistaken Seraphim? These are two editors who don’t understand synth or I don’t like it. I explained why with reasoning. This is drive by adminning . I find it uncivil to be called nasty and uncivil. Should you be banned for that? When people say something wrong, I am allowed to say it is wrong and I don’t need to sugarcoat it by saying how insightful they were despite not understanding WP: synth or why speculations by editors don’t belong in articles The Final Bringer of Truth (talk) 05:11, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly this whole thing is farcical. Look how much time and energy is wasted doing “civility” policing and “tone” policing instead of bringing sources and improving articles. My god, if that isn’t NOTHERE (this incessant focus on nebulous concepts of civility and tone) then what it is? The Final Bringer of Truth (talk) 05:14, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This whole thing makes me want to quit honestly. I came here to edit articles and I’m just being harassed with wikilawyering and tone policing. I maybe some times a little sharp but I’m not telling people to go fuck themselves or calling anyone retarded. Who really cares at the end of the day? I’m tired of this cosplaying like this is a court instead of writing article content. Don’t you people get tired of all this talk space jabbering instead of adding shit to the articles The Final Bringer of Truth (talk) 06:00, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I started an innocuous discussion [[3]] on an (admittedly politics related) talk page stating that I believed a section in the article was misleading. I was not trying to delete, remove, or censor, but call to add context. There are a few proper responses to this, for example 1/ "do you have a source for this claim, or a reason to believe that the current wording is NPOV" or 2/ "I don't agree with the way you've characterized this, for XYZ reason".

Instead, The Final Bringer of Truth comments:

You are speculating. The material was very well sourced, the issue has been discussed in many sources (if you don’t read about the article topic you shouldn’t write about it, your ignorance is showing) and will be returned to the article.

OK. Let's assume I was speculating. This is a really aggressive approach. I'm trying to be civil so I'm replying, giving links and quotes from articles. But no matter what I do, he keeps escalating:

As for your irrelevant and unrelated BBC source it doesn’t say anything about dead democrats. It is also not about the final vote, making its relevance questionable. Hence your connection is synth and your own personal speculation. You may of course add material based on that reference if you like, but you cannot synthesize it with other sources that it draws no connection to, and I hope you understand the topic better before adding material.

Can you describe the policy basis for caring about an editors unsourced speculations and hypotheticals? No? Then stop. You are unequivocally wrong here.

30 minutes later, before I even get the chance to read his reply:

Still waiting on those sources that say the analysis in the cited sources is “misleading”… or was this just your idiosyncratic personal view of no relevance to anyone? Curious minds want to know!

Just take your L and move on. You’re embarrassing yourself

I finally take some time to review all the sources because I realize at this point, this guy is not trying to have a discussion, he is trying to belittle and attack everyone around him. I go to the article, find the passage that in question, and click the first source and find the following: diff1, diff2 So in his personal own source, there are claims that directly support the point I was trying to make. Since then, he's gone completely radio silent on the topic, avoiding admitting that he was wrong and that he needlessly escalated. I should have brought these up at the start, I admit that. but this guys behavior made it impossible to have a good faith discussion with his battleground mentality.

Patterns of behavior:

• - starts with insults, such as calling others ignorant/misinformed out the game and questioning their ability to understand anything [[1]] [2]
• - condescends others, then accuses them of being condescending and rude if they react to his aggressive tone [1] [2]
• - considers all edits that disagree with him to be vandalism, irrelevant, or unsourced and praises himself and anyone who agrees with his judgements [1]
• - threatens to "report people to the admins for fraud" whenever they edit or adjust his contributions [1]]

this is his pattern of behavior with everyone, not just me. he's literally still doing it, below, in his so called "rebuttal" (note he does not actually address the content of anything I've shared, he just hand waves it all as irrelevant and goes straight to insults. The general thesis is that I came to the talk page to talk, and instead of fostering a discussion that would have quickly led to the first couple of sources that agree with a claim I was making, this user got into an battleground mindset, aggroed on everyone, and then when others take the high ground and provide data and sources he doubles down and calls everything they're saying wrong.

Please reply on the talk page of the actual article, not here, so I can easily prove that you're wrong. This is not the right place, in fact I don't think you're really even meant to be making random rebuttal statements like this. Tofflenheim (talk) 04:46, 31 May 2025 (UTC)Moved comment to own section. Threaded discussion is not permitted at AE. Please make comments or replies only in this section. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 05:01, 31 May 2025 (UTC) [reply]

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• In these diffs, and indeed in their conduct here, I am seeing that The Final Bringer of Truth has a habit of incivility and nastiness in the AMPOL area, and apparently has no intent of changing that. Given that, I think they need to be removed from the area. I would note to Tofflenheim that editors who participate here can be sanctioned based upon such participation, and calling someone "unhinged" is also uncivil and inappropriate. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 04:53, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  The Final Bringer of Truth, while being right is important (I'm not, mind you, opining on whether you were or not; AE doesn't decide content questions), it's not enough. Even if you're right and someone else is wrong, there's a substantial difference between expressing that as "You're full of shit" versus "I disagree with that, and here's why." Sourcing and correctness are important, but being civil to other editors is also important, and that's especially true where you're discussing subjects which are already subject to a lot of tension and conflict. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 05:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• I have blocked indefinitely, as a non-AE action, for the call to violence on their userpage; hyperbole or not, that's unacceptable. I defer to my colleagues as to whether to close this (perhaps with a note that a TBAN should be considered as a condition of any unblock), or leave it open for a day or two to see if they can respond to the block in a deescalatory fashion. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 08:32, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Deescalate they did not, and TPA has now been revoked, so I'll close this. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 13:49, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Pravega (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 08:54, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested

LesIie (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

Has violated WP:1RR on 2 articles:

• Indo-Pakistani war of 1947–1948

1. 27 May 2025 - Modifying the long-standing infobox without consensus
2. 17:42, 28 May 2025 - Reverts to restore his edits
3. 11:18, 29 May 2025 - Violates WP:1RR by restoring his edits.

• Bangladesh Liberation War:

1. 17:45, 28 May 2025 - This is the first revert to implement misinformation that only the members belonging to eastern command of Pakistan surrendered.
2. 18:30, 28 May 2025 - This is his 2nd revert. Still no attempt to discuss the edits.

The problems with his infobox edits are continuing for a long time. ❯❯❯Pravega ^g=9.8 09:14, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

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[4] [5]^{added by Tamzin after report was filed without awareness evidence}

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

@Extraordinary Writ: While Leslie recognised that he violated 1RR, he still made no self-revert. I already mentioned that the problems with his infobox related editing are continuing for a long time. Just 2 weeks ago, he edit warred at the concerning page and used battleground edit summaries which can be seen here. Another example is here where he removed figures from Nawaz Sharif claiming he is from "an Opposition party", despite he was involved in the war. This is after he had got a warning here over his WP:OR in infobox. I would suggest topic ban from making infobox edits in India and Pakistan topics instead of a block for his 1rr violation. ❯❯❯Pravega ^g=9.8 17:24, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

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On the Indo-Pakistani War of 1947–1948 article, yes — it’s under WP:1RR, and I’m aware. But let’s be clear: I didn’t randomly change things. I read the actual sources, corrected the info to reflect what they say, and added page numbers so anyone could verify. It was brought on the talk page. The other editor reverted without addressing content or checking sources. So I reverted back. That technically went over 1RR, but I was trying to stop misrepresented info from being restored.

On Bangladesh Liberation War — it’s not under WP:1RR, there’s a new discussion on the Tp. My edit was supported. The editor has not participated in this article at all. The other editor could’ve read what I wrote while verifying sources using the pages instead of reverting. I’m happy to step back and talk, but good-faith editing with solid sources shouldn’t be sanctioned. I’ll admit the WP:1RR breach is on me — I shouldn't have reverted. But editors like the one who filed this need shouldn't revert without reading sources or discussing. It discourages actual source-based editing.

P.S. my edit was already reverted so I could not self-revert.

I’ll voluntarily refrain from making infobox edits on India–Pakistan conflict articles for some time or until there’s consensus on the TP. That’s reasonable. I'll also learn more on the rules. I request that a topic ban not be imposed. I care about this subject and want to continue contributing to it, with caution and collaboration from now on. I request a mentor to help, if possible, so we can avoid future issues and I can improve.

The edit involving Sharif’s claim: Sharif made these statements after being ousted by Musharraf; claims were politically motivated to undermine the military. Those claims remain, but now separate from official claims. I also admit I wasn’t fully aware of warnings — I hadn’t fully read warnings and messages, which I take accountability for. I see how some of my editing may have come across as disruptive, though my intent was to improve accuracy. I regret that. I’m here to contribute constructively, not push agendas.

On the William Harrison article, Worldbruce rightfully raises concerns. I didn’t use any LLM to write the article or comments, I know you'd assume that because my credibility is dented. For Harrison, I used DeepSeek, another editor mentioned it, to find rare sources, but much was paywalled or inaccessible, so I pieced together what I could.

After reading Worldbruce's comment, I realized I hadn’t checked the content properly. I unintentionally added fake sources and tried to fix things. Some books don’t mention Harrison directly but cover operations and areas he was involved in. That might cross into WP:SYNTH. I haven’t used LLMs any other time, none are as shadowy as Harrison. My intent was just to bring a lesser-known figure to light. This has been a wake-up call. I see I got carried away and made serious mistakes, I didn’t mean to. I genuinely care about these topics and want to do better.

Apologies, Worldbruce for not replying to their comment. I was shocked to see how inaccurate some of my work was and panicked, not knowing how to respond. LesIie (talk) 11:40, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Abecedare (4) the awards are legit, you may ask those editors, I compiled them together and made the formats similar so it fits neatly on my userpage, I'll get into the other points when i have the time thanks. LesIie (talk) 20:49, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have nothing to add regarding contentious topics and 1RR. But LesIie has opened the door to broader behavioral questions about competence and integrity by claiming that they don't edit carelessly and make fact-based and transparent edits.

A serious counterexample is their 4-5 month old article William Harrison (brigadier), of which they have contributed 97.4% of the text. Every indication is that it is largely if not wholly the hallucination of a large language model. I raised on their talk page questions about why the sources don't support the content, why sources are falsified or fabricated, and why detection tools indicate that it has been generated using an "AI chatbot" or similar application.

They have not responded, other than to remove the part of my post mentioning LLMs, and to furiously rewrite the article.

As of this writing, the article has 39 inline citations. Nineteen are to non-book sources of varying reliability. Of them, two are dead links and only four of the remainder mention Harrison:

• an internet forum post [7]
• a blog [8]
• a self-published collection of copyright violations[9]
• a news portal with no reputation for accuracy or fact checking[10]

The remaining 20 inline citations are to one book that does not seem to exist (Feroz, Ahmad (2002). The 1971 War: A Retrospective Analysis. Karachi: Defence Publications) and eight real books (A Tale of Millions,[11] Bangladesh at War,[12] Surrender at Dacca,[13] The Betrayal of East Pakistan,[14] The Blood Telegram,[15] The Spectral Wound,[16] The Struggle for Pakistan,[17] and Witness to Surrender[18]). Only one of them, Bangladesh at War, even mentions Harrison – briefly on page 8, not a page that LesIie cites.

If there is an explanation for this article, I would like to hear it. --Worldbruce (talk) 22:26, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am coming here after seeing Leslie's user contributions page. I've seen Leslie’s work before, some edits definitely didn't land with some, but I really don’t think there was any bad intent behind them. It comes across more like someone who cares about a lesser-known subject and got a bit carried away trying to flesh it out. A lot of us have made similar missteps when starting out on complex topics. They appear to me a relatively new contributor, who can contribute much effectively if they get proper guidance. It wouldn't be a good thing to lose someone who clearly wants to contribute. 𝗭𝗲𝗽𝗵𝘆𝗿 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 19:37, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not involved but commenting here since I am bringing up new issues I spotted, rather than evaluating existing evidence

1. I can't reconcile LesIie's statements wrt William Harrison (brigadier) that they didn’t use any LLM to write the article vs they used DeepSeek vs the url for the first reference there having a referral code for chatgpt.
2. I couldn't verify the existence of the book Ahmad, Riaz (1993). The General's General: The Life and Times of General Abdul Hamid Khan. Oxford University Press., a source LesIie added to Indo-Pakistani war of 1971 and Abdul Hamid Khan (general). They reverted the latter addition today w/o any explanation.
3. I didn't find any mention of Baqir Siddiqui in Gary Bass's The blood telegram, which was cited by LesIie to support the article's statement "Known for his strategic involvement and leadership in East Pakistan, Brigadier Siddiqui played a significant role in the military administration of the region." until an unexplained removal today.
4. (minor but goes towards credibility and willingness to misrepresent) I didn't find any indication that the barnstars listed at User:LesIie were ever awarded to them by Lt.gen.zephyr, Lt.Casper and 9Ahmed9. They appear to be self-conferred and (re)worded by LesIie in other editor's name (cf, the editor selectively editing Worldbruce's comment on their userpage).

@LesIie: if I am somehow mistaken about (2), (3) or (4) and the book, citation or awards are legit, please let me know and I'll strike the particular claim. Abecedare (talk) 20:21, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea checking the filter logs, Asilvering! Noting that the text Lt.Casper attempted to add matches the text LesIie actually added five minutes later. Abecedare (talk) 19:07, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I presume that this AE will be closed with an indefinite block given the LLM use, source fabrication and misrepresentation, and the dissembling on this page when asked about these (the 1RR violations, socking and and self-puffery are relatively minor offenses IMO). Any suggestions on whether the pages created by the editor should be AFD'ed, draftitied, stubbed or cleaned in situ, and how a check and clean up of their other edits should be organized? Pinging Worldbruce for input. Abecedare (talk) 19:29, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Re. abecadare's fourth point (re. the barnstars): this is really minor but I had a look and it's weird enough that I had to comment.

The chevrons from Lt.gen.zephyr were originally genuine. LesIie changed the date it was awarded for reasons entirely unclear to me, before completely rewriting what it says 9 days later.

Lt.Casper is a registered user with zero edits, who didn't register until May 5 this year. LesIie added the barnstar "from" Lt.Caspar to their userpage nine minutes after Lt.Casper created their account; they have since changed the date of the timestamp at least twice (when it was originally added the timestamp says May 5; that diff shows LesIie changing it from 5 March to 11 January, which is the date shown currently.

LesIie added the Distinguished Service Star from 9Ahmed on 10 May; 9Ahmed has so far as I can tell never edited LesIie's user or talkpage. They made six edits on 9 and 10 May, none of which are related to this award. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 11:29, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Indef this user per Abecedare: any one of "LLM use, source fabrication and misrepresentation" would be sufficient, and they have engaged in all three. I would advise mass rollback on their edits, and PRODs on their creations. If de-PRODed they should go to AfD - I do not think it is a good use of editor time to clean up LLM hallucinations, and draft-space is for salvageable content. CSD#G3 may occasionally apply, but will not generally. Vanamonde93 (talk) 03:56, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• PhilKnight did you perchance examine technical similarities between LesIie and Lt.gen.zephyr? Overlap is high, and there's considerable behavioral similarity. Asking since you looked at the case already - if you would rather not go deeper I'd be happy to file an SPI. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:39, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

They are  Unrelated. PhilKnight (talk) 18:20, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Bangladesh Liberation War is not subject to a 1RR. The other article is, but typically the courtesy is to ask someone to self-revert before bringing them to AE (at least if 1RR is the only concern). LesIie, you can only make 1 revert per 24 hours to the Indo-Pakistani war of 1947–1948 article (as mentioned in the notice when you edit the page), so you need to undo your most recent revert there. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 09:08, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree an indef is the only possible answer to everything that's been brought up here, especially since the only response we've gotten has been more AI-written dissembling. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:17, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    I did want to see if they'd have anything further to say, since I'd prefer they managed to turn this around rather than getting ejected over it, but they've been editing since, only to do things like Special:Diff/1293579419. I'll go press the button. Alas. -- asilvering (talk) 14:50, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Worldbruce, I'm very interested to hear this, since LesIie's responses in this thread do have that insincere LLM-written ring to them. LesIie, have you used LLMs to write any other articles? -- asilvering (talk) 01:33, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @LesIie, I'm not going to read that unless you adhere to the word count limits. -- asilvering (talk) 16:55, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @LesIie, thanks for doing that, will get to this in a bit. -- asilvering (talk) 20:17, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I can add to what Caeciliusinhorto reports about Lt.Casper that they did try to make an edit, on User:Taeyab, but were blocked by an edit filter. Complicating any tracking here is the fact that LesIie renamed from Taeyab to LesIie on 23 May. This is so strange I'm calling in backup. {{CU needed}}, is Lt.Casper is a sock, and is there something going on here with these other barnstar-givers? I note 9Ahmen9 is already down as a sock of Pr0p123. -- asilvering (talk) 18:27, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @Abecedare, you too can never forget again with the simple application of User:Daniel Quinlan/Scripts/FilterHits.js! -- asilvering (talk) 19:14, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@asilvering - I used CheckUser. Lt.Casper is a  Confirmed sock of LesIie. I didn't find any other accounts. Do you want me to block the sock? The master? PhilKnight (talk) 20:14, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@PhilKnight, if you could CU-block the sock, that would be good. LesIie will, judging by the conversation so far, get blocked for other reasons. -- asilvering (talk) 04:02, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@asilvering  Done. PhilKnight (talk) 04:30, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, having flipped through their created articles, I've found quite a few more with clear evidence of LLM use. And I don't understand how it's possible to "unintentionally" add fake sources. So I think WP:PROD is the way to go for the articles. -- asilvering (talk) 04:34, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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1. 01:28, 5 May 2025: Showing entirely non-collaborative approach towards another editor, saying he will keep making reverts over "Islamist" vs "Islamic" and making accusations without evidence that the another editor is Islamophobic. He said: "First of all, please do not mention my name. I prefer not to engage with you, so feel free to proceed as you wish; I won't mind. However, I will revert any changes if I notice "Islamic" being used instead of "Islamist."" He added: "You can't insert your hatred of a religion in the article in this case the religion is Islam. DO NOT PUSH YOUR POV."
2. 15:54, 3 May 2025 - Again, showing non-collaborative approach, assuming bad faith and making accusations without evidence. He said "You're violating NPOV by waging a religious crusade and giving the article a Hindutva tilt, so I suggest you remove yourself from this article altogether." He added: "please don’t respond to my comments. I might say something that you probably won't like. Let someone else handle this. I know you’re not fond of me, and I definitely don’t want to talk to you, especially after the whole non-argument you initiated in the Islamist section."
3. 15:42, 6 May 2025: Failure to WP:AGF and attacking other editors. Says "any objection is just about your ego there's no merit or substance in any of your argument." He added: "there are always individuals who raise the censorship flag when they feel they are not being given the latitude to spread misleading information or impose their point of view on readers."
4. 12:27, 24 May 2025: Totally disregarding WP:RS. Creates a false balance between "Indian and Pakistani sources" and reliable American news sources over the India-Pakistan military conflict and proposes a retaliatory action by saying "I'll gladly help in removing NYT and WaPo from vietnam war and war on terror or any other USA intervention".
5. 12:33, 24 May 2025: Continues repetition of his false balance by targeting "every conflict page on Wikipedia starting from USA waged wars or conflicts," only because Indian and Pakistani outlets cannot be used for stating facts on India-Pakistan military conflicts.
6. 08:24, 25 May 2025 - Again creating a false balance between unreliable Indian media sources and NYT. Engages in WP:BATTLE by wrongly claiming that another user is engaging in advocacy of banning Indian and Pakistani sources.
7. 11:09, 25 May 2025: Continues his talk page disruption by saying "please don't launch defense for western media houses" and "So western media hosues have shown regret? well that may be how you have perceived things but it's not the case for me." To him, retraction of a story is not enough.
8. 11:27, 25 May 2025: Sticks to his wrong belief that the RSN thread is demanding "blanket ban" by saying "I don't buy your reasoning I'm of the opinion that this whole thread is about instituting a blanket ban but you're entitiled to your opinion." See WP:BATTLE and WP:IDHT.
9. 13:34, 26 May 2025: Makes an outrageous claim that "Both India and Pakistan are relatively free compared to Russia or Ukraine", when corrected, he doubles down with his claim, "Ukraine is under martial law. There are lots of things that Ukrainian press can't report most of the Ukrainian press coverage of war has been pretty biased".[44]
10. 08:59, 27 May 2025: Not even trying to give up his outrageous belief that categorization of an article as "opinion piece" depends on one's own view. As such, he keeps rejecting the fact that this article is an opinion piece and is bludgeoning across the talk page to impose his view. Following diffs show issues with WP:IDHT, WP:CIR and WP:BLUD;

• "I've said before IMHO RUSI analysis is not an opnion piece. But you believe otherwise and that's fine you're entitled to your opinion."[45]
• "I've said it before and I'll say it again I don't think RUSI is an opinion piece walter has expert knowledge in this field."[46]
• "This is your view and at best I can acknowledge it but nothing more than that."[47]

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The rampant display of battleground mentality, non-collaborative approach, and the failure to understand what others are telling is very clear here. Wareon (talk) 16:55, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Asilvering: Let me make it clear, I started this thread but wasn't requesting sanctions on Datacrusade1999. I just found that their conduct at talk pages and noticeboard as being unnecessarily combative. Another user recently was topic banned mainly for their conduct on talk pages.[50] I'd be okay that Datacrusade1999 should be alerted about incivility and other WP:TPG ethics, given it is the first time they have been reported here.

Let me address your points. Yes many editors do state their opinions (no matter how wrong they are) on talk pages, but most of them stop it after some time after becoming familiar with WP:TPG. However, Datacrusade1999 is continuing that, and his talk page comments are either derailing the threads from their actual purpose or they are getting unnecessarily heated.

This article is an opinion piece. It clearly says "The views expressed in this Commentary are the author's, and do not represent those of RUSI or any other institution." A similar source written by a subject matter expert that was not tagged as an opinion piece yet was removed as it was deemed no different to an opinion piece on the article recently through consensus.[51] Pakistan and India are more "unfree" than Ukraine with regards to reporting of the events. Datacrusade1999 was already told that Ukraine ranks at No.62 at the Press Freedom Index, while India and Pakistan rank below 150. The difference is huge. While we have no doubt over the situation of Ukraine over the ongoing war, the same cannot be said for India and Pakistan. Experts believe that India is going through an undeclared emergency,[52] while there are those including the former PM of Pakistan who says Pakistan is going through undeclared martial law.[53]

I would further disagree that Datacrusade1999 treating "NYT and WaPo" to be as credible as the concerning Indian sources should be considered a mere " hyperbole / a slippery slope argument". He was doubling down and repeating this misleading argument as the diffs show. This betrays the understanding of WP:RS and WP:RGW, and these unhelpful comments turn any talk page discussion unproductive.

The diffs about defending Indian sources in context of this conflict become especially egregious when you consider the fact that Datacrusade1999 was repeatedly referring to Indian sources as "partisan", "Godi media" for spreading disinformation in the context of this conflict,[54] and then suddenly advocates them on the RSN thread while trying to portray them better than the relatively freer outlets from western media and Ukraine while also misrepresenting the thread's motive. Wareon (talk) 07:48, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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A lot has been said about my lack of collaboration. However, "collaboration" cannot mean that I have to agree with every viewpoint put forward by other editors. I have my own perspective and worldview; if I don't believe in something, I won't agree with it.

Regarding RUSI, I've already stated that I don't consider it an opinion, and I acknowledge the differing perspectives of other editors. That is about as much as I can concede on matters with which I disagree. link

Much has also been said about the reliability of Indian media. As Wareon himself has pointed out, I am quite suspicious of "Godi media." This should indicate that I am aware of the issues facing Indian media. However, I also know that there are thousands of other media organizations in India that do excellent journalism.

Some editors are advocating for a ban on Indian sources. They claim they are not asking for a blanket ban, but anyone can look at the noticeboard and see the discussions taking place there. Needless to say, I do not support that kind of policy.

I cannot and will not agree to something that I don't believe in. It's important to note that my opinion is not more valid than that of other editors. If a consensus emerges where my views or sources do not find support or credibility, I am willing to accept that consensus and make my peace with it. I have nothing against anyone, but if I see something that I disagree with, I will speak out. DataCrusade1999 (talk) 05:49, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am apparently the editor involved in diffs 1, 2 and 3. I admit that the editor has a bit of an abrasive style but I think their heart is the in right place. Their point was basically that calling a certain group of militants as "Islamic" would smear a religion whereas calling them as "Islamist" would attach them to an ideology. I understood their point perfectly fine notwithstanding all the barbs. Other editors agreed with their position; so I let it pass. Little did I know that it would get cited as evidence at AE by some one else for no good reason.

The majority of the remaining diffs have to do with a completely misguided thread at WP:RSN, calling into question "Indian media" based on a (pretty sloppy) New York Times article. Titled "How the Indian Media Amplified Falsehoods in the Drumbeat of War" it was bascially criticising mainstream television channels calling them "Indian media".

The filer says the editor held a wrong belief that the RSN thread is demanding "blanket ban". It was not a wrong belief. When asked "Did it mention any source we regard as WP:RS?", SheriffIsInTown, the originator of the thread, said [56]: "It raises a gigantic question mark on the reliability of Indian media and sources as a whole. That is why we are requesting that they not be cited in conflict-related articles." That obviously sounds like a blanket ban?

And, what exactly does the filer mean by "false balance between unreliable Indian media sources and NYT"? What are supposed to be "unreliable Indian media"? And why is it a "false balance"?

This whole thing seems to have been an exercise to bait the Indian editors and to get them to trip up so that they can get sanctioned. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:25, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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1. Quite rude. There is nothing wrong with asking someone not to ping you. The difference between "Islamic" and "Islamist" is an important one and replacing "Islamist" with "Islamic" where the latter does not apply could indeed be a form of Islamophobia. Which is to say, the portions you've quoted here are not particularly damning. The overall tone of that conversation, however, is pretty far from civil. I'm not terribly impressed by either participant (DataCrusade1999's tone is certainly worse, but Kautilya3 gets condescending in the first reply), but this is a single incident and Kautilya3 has already responded to this with equanimity.
2. Not acceptable. Ownership, aspersions, and a bit of a veiled threat. Not good.
3. See #1.
4. Not violation. This is hyperbole / a slippery slope argument. This kind of argument doesn't tend to be well-received on Wikipedia, but it's not a conduct violation.
5. Not violation. This is a more forceful restatement of the above. Editors are allowed to have opinions. This opinion does not strike me as particularly beyond the pale, either.
6. Not violation. The other editor is indeed saying that there is prior consensus not to use these sources.
7. Ish. It is not a violation of anything to have an opinion and state it. This is however unnecessarily personalized.
8. Not violation... however. Having read the discussion, I certainly can understand why this editor has come to this conclusion. However, immediately above this is Man don't do this at this point you're beign rude I don't throw the "r" word around casually but it seems you want to earn it. and... yikes. I'm going to believe that the "r word" here is "rude" and not the word we usually mean when we say "the r word". I will block immediately if disabused of this belief.
9. Not violation, reflects particularly poorly on the filer. This is again a statement of opinion. You do not violate IPA by having an opinion. That Ukraine is under martial law is a fact. That Ukraine does not have full freedom of the press is also a fact.
10. Not violation. That is not an opinion piece. It is expert commentary. Whether expert commentary is reliable or not for any given statement is something that is decided on a case-by-case basis.

asilvering (talk) 00:50, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Conclusion: In my opinion, DataCrusade1999's conduct falls short of the "behavioural best practice" that editors are expected to adhere to in CTOPs. I could easily believe Kautilya3's assessment, the editor has a bit of an abrasive style but I think their heart is the in right place, but I could also be convinced otherwise. I hope a reminder about best behaviour is all we need here.

Regarding Wareon, however, I'm really quite unimpressed. They were the subject of an AE thread that only just closed ([57]), and which resulted in a boomerang for the filer. The situation is extremely similar: one editor is brought to AE by another without merit, for disagreeing that something is a reliable source. I'd be unimpressed by this filing at the best of times. This is less than 48 hours after a similar thread in "the other direction". For Pete's sake. -- asilvering (talk) 01:12, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• @Asilvering: I haven't looked at the evidence in any detail (and will probably not end up doing so) but with regards to the "r"-word: my guess is that in the context the euphemism was used, it referred to "racism". See the comment they were replying to, which had already been described as racist in the comment immediately above DataCrusader's comment. Abecedare (talk) 01:20, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  That too would be far better than the usual meaning. -- asilvering (talk) 01:28, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Since the filer isn't seeking sanctions but instead a warning and since the admins replying here aren't suggesting a topic ban or block maybe this discussion can be closed with an outcome of a serious caution provided. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:52, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Just a comment, as I agree with Liz that we don't really need a sanction here, but for both Wareon and DataCrusade1999: whether US sources are used on articles about US conflicts, etc., is completely irrelevant at a particular IPA article talk. DC1999, you're free to make this argument at RSN, though it isn't a particularly strong argument there either, but using it at an IPA article is just irrelevant; your beef isn't with the editors at that article but with the editors at RSN. Wareon, if someone makes that kind of argument at an IPA article, the best response is something along the lines of "US media coverage of the Vietnam war is irrelevant here." And DC1999, continuing to make such arguments at an article talk may be seen as disruptive. Valereee (talk) 15:09, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:CT/SL

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1. 20 May 2025 Adds false detail to lede saying the list is about LTTE attacks on civilians when the next sentence makes it clear it also included military targets, indicating he did not even bother to read the article before editing.
2. 20 May 2025 Adds a POV of a Sri Lankan economist to LTTE's own lede with weasel phrasing that makes the contentious label MOS:TERRORIST look factual.
3. 21 May 2025 Re-adds content in diff #2 to a different section falsely claiming that I was an admin who advised him to put it there, after I had removed it from lede notifying him of WP:NPOV and explaining that the terrorist POV was already covered in a section and he needed to start Talk discussion if he disagreed.
4. 21 May 2025 Despite my NPOV notification, adds nonexistent "Suicide Terrorism" as LTTE's ideology which is entirely his own original research.
5. 22 May 2025 Adds false and extremely serious accusation against LTTE by misrepresenting the source which states the exact opposite and admits to it in Talk when pointed out. Then adds another detail from the source (without even citing it) against my advice that enough weight had already been given to it.
6. 24 May 2025 Adds a claim to Tamil genocide article without any citation.
7. 24 May 2025 Re-adds the disputed content in diff #3, citing Talk page, although no consensus had been reached with me who disputed it. Despite the fact that I had explained to him previously the section was inappropriate place to add that, citations lacked exact pages and sources he cited were biased, he still added it there, refused to give exact page numbers (last two sources don't support the content) and used weasel phrasing "Academics" without specifying them and their biases (like he did in Tamil genocide article).
8. 24 May 2025 Removes my content from Tamil genocide article, claiming that I called it "excessive information in another page" which I never did. It's actually an important detail about the Sri Lankan government's stance from his own source but he had left it out when he created that section, possibly because it made the government look bad since, as it will become evident, he has a pattern of nationalist editing.
9. 24 May 2025 Removes most of a section from Tamil genocide, once again claiming that I called it "excessive information in another page" which I never did.
10. 25 May 2025 Adds unsupported attribution to Francis Boyle in Tamil genocide (his own article says he was a legal advisor, not founder, of TGTE) to question his neutrality, but removed a detail from attribution of another source in the article claiming it's unsupported (although it's supported elsewhere in the article). Uses two different standards but for the same reason: lessen the reliability of sources recognizing Tamil genocide.
11. 26 May 2025 Casts aspersions on me by falsely accusing me of edit warring for challenging his edits on LTTE and falsely claimed another editor, Oz346, supported his stance that the view that LTTE is considered as a terrorist organization has not been included in its article, which Oz346 never said anywhere. This continued misrepresentation of sources and editors seems to indicate a lack of competence at best, or deliberate distortion at worst.
12. 28 May 2025 Once again, removes most of another section from Tamil genocide, claiming they exist in its main article, although I had written most of them specifically for Tamil genocide article. Removal of large amount of content on baseless grounds is becoming disruptive.
13. 29 May 2025 Casts aspersions on Oz346 by accusing him of only wanting content that agrees with Oz346's POV, in violation of the collaborative spirit and assume good faith.
14. 29 May 2025 Re-adds contentious subheading to LTTE previously removed per NPOV without an explanation despite having been notified by another editor on user Talk page about the need of edit summary back in 22 May.
15. 30 May 2025 Adds detail to LTTE lede not supported by the sources. Once again, no edit explanation. This is the most serious nationalist POV edit since it denies the killing of Tamil civilians by describing them as LTTE fighters which has been the tactic of the Sri Lankan government.

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• Alerted about discretionary sanctions or contentious topics in the area of conflict, on 20 May 2025.

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This is a recently created SPA that exclusively edits articles relating to LTTE and Tamil genocide. This user has single-handedly made the topic heated. I urge admins to go through his edit history and note that most of his edits have been reverted by multiple users, and also check the various notices and complaints from editors, including an admin, on his user talk page. To save everyone the trouble of going through AE process each time a new SPA pops up, extended confirmed user protection, especially for the most contentious Tamil genocide and LTTE articles, may be helpful.---Petextrodon (talk) 18:27, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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ÆthelflædofMercia is a SPA who does POV pushing deserves a topic ban for diff #15 alone .Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:35, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Not surprised to see this here. I am surprised to see those two articles aren't ECP already. I'd page-protect, but as I read it this has to be for a maximum of one year, not indefinitely, so I'm not sure that's actually more useful than taking individual editors to AE. Would appreciate a sanity check from an experienced AE admin on that. -- asilvering (talk) 16:08, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • You can protect indefinitely; it just loses its "special" CTOP status after a year (i.e., another admin could then unprotect without going through the formal appeal process). Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:09, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• ECP sounds like a fine solution to me. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 20:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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MasterBlasterofBarterTown (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:59, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/COVID-19#Discretionary sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 21:15, 10 June 2025 Deletion of the RfC proposal for dealing with this material by ScienceFlyer
2. 19:23, 10 June 2025 Revert by Bon courage

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Users is a multiyear contributor to the topic as well as the recent RfC. They are aware of the restrictions.

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There was a three month long RfC over the inclusion of material from several German and German/English sources which ScienceFlyer participated in. The closing statement noted a supermajority for inclusion of the material. Additional, the closure of the RfC indicated a substantial consensus for the proposed language. After this language was included in the article, it touched off an immediate edit war for it removal.

I would also like to request Bon courage, at a minimum be warned for contributing to the edit warring on this article.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested : both users have been notified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MasterBlasterofBarterTown (talk • contribs) 20:59, 11 June 2025

For those who haven't followed COVID-19 lab leak theory: There was a huge RFC that concluded yesterday with the result that the existence of an unpublished German government report should be mentioned somehow in the article.

Editors are currently discussing "how" to mention it, but, at a glance, everyone seems to accept "whether" to mention it at this point.

I think the basic underlying complaint here is that the initial WP:BOLD attempt to mention the report was reverted as inappropriate/NPOV (by multiple editors). The OP is not yet WP:XCON and so was not/could not be involved in the reverting.

MasterBlasterofBarterTown, each individual editor requires a separate section here at WP:AE. You'll either have to remove one editor entirely, or split it into two separate complaints (even if they mostly duplicate each other). WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:18, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would not call that edit warring. Editors are currently discussing on the talk page, productively or not. Procedurally, this is just standard WP:BRD.

I'll also note that the long "RfC" was in fact a discussion turned into a pseudo-RfC and never listed at RfC, and that ScienceFlyer never received any {{alert/first}} templates, not even under their "Discretionary" iteration. Aaron Liu (talk) 11:45, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

One of the unintended consequences of the introduction of WP:ECP was that, although it tamped down the damage caused by WP:NOTHERE POV-warrior editors in article space, it meant they had to find an outlet elsewhere. Launching waste-of-time AEs to try and take perceived opponents 'off the table' seems to be one of those outlets, as evidenced by this filing. Bon courage (talk) 13:16, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The RFC close specifically stated that no particular wording was endorsed, and reasonable objections were made on talk that the version ScienceFlyer reverted went beyond what the RFC agreed to. But more importantly, while AE requests are only supposed to focus on one person, the filer undermines their own point by objecting to Bon courage's edit, which was clearly a valid interpretation of the RFC's results, at least to the point where it can't reasonably be said to be editing against consensus. (Many supporters also recommended the mention be placed next to the German government's later findings and with attribution to the intelligence agency, though this aspect was not discussed much and might need further discussion.) --Aquillion (talk) 14:35, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It’s difficult to classify ScienceFlyer’s June 12th edit as edit warring as their previous edit to the article was two months and about 90 article edits earlier. The close of the survey (I don’t see where it was an RfC) states further discussion is warranted. So let the discussion continue without further disruption. O3000, Ret. (talk) 18:10, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• I don't see that any action is needed here. There was a brief edit war following the close of the RFC which has now stopped and editors have returned to discussion. Recommend we close with no action. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 07:38, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• I concur with Callanecc, this looks like discussion is working now. No action needed here. Ealdgyth (talk) 11:51, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Vice regent (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 16:44, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 5

User reverts others edits but refuses to discuss.

1. Reverted an edit by restoring a WP:FRINGE viewpoint ("was neither a consulate nor an embassy") to the first sentence in the lead. Previous move discussions appear to have an implicit overwhelming consensus that the building was either a consulate or embassy[58]. But the most egregious thing here is that there was an ongoing discussion on this very change, and Eliezer1987 didn't bother to even respond.

I told them they should be discussing this on the talk page and still they haven't engaged in the article talk page. Meanwhile they've continued this exact behavior on another article (see below).

2. reverts the removal of contested content. Once again there is an ongoing discussion on this and thus far the consensus is that the material is POV[59]. The key point here is that despite significant discussion the user has made no attempt to discuss on the talk page.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

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Additional comments by editor filing complaint

• There is a pattern of behavior from the non-recent past too. For example, they made a large revert[61] at April 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel; there was an ongoing discussion regarding this, and they didn't participate.
  • They made another large revert at the article restoring a lot of content to the lead. An hour later, another user protested against this change[62] at the talk page, and again Eliezer1987 didn't respond.
• In this revert they write in the edit summary "Whoever put the tags, please open a discussion about it on the talk page". So they acknowledge they are making a revert but not starting a discussion themselves instead of trying to put the onus of discussing on someone else.
  • A discussion indeed was started by someone else[63], but they didn't bother to join the discussion at talk.
• Admitted to making reverts[64][65] but again no sign of discussion.
• Another example where they are aware they are making a revert[66] but don't bother discussing at talk. There was plenty of discussion at talk[67] regarding the use of the "colonial" framing they reverted.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

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VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 17:06, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Unfortunately, I don't have much time these days when missiles are flying over us. So I haven't gone through every edit that appears here.I will write in general:

1. I am an experienced editor, also on the subject of conflict. The discussions in these articles are long and exhausting, and I don't always get to them. When I see that there is a discussion, I do not act contrary to it.
2. I would be happy for the administrators to examine the complaint against me in depth. And also the complainant who saw fit to open a complaint immediately after I reprimanded him for inappropriate behavior on Wikipedia.
3. I try not to make things personal, maybe that's why I try to create and write and edit articles and not discuss a single word for hours. I hope there is a place on Wikipedia for people who try to avoid arguments.
4. May this conflict end and in a few years it won't even be considered a sensitive issue Eliezer1987 (talk) 19:14, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• A few general notes here. Generally speaking, I would expect that editors who make major reverts be willing to explain themselves upon request, but it generally isn't required to offer an explanation (beyond a descriptive edit summary) absent such a request. And of course, life happens. That said, it is indeed expected that editors who add maintenance tags to articles be willing to explain why they did so upon request as well, though generally it is better practice to ask them to do that rather than remove the tags as a first resort. I don't, though, see anything here meriting more than perhaps a mild reminder that Wikipedia is a collaborative project, and so communication with other editors is a core part of participation here, not an optional nicety. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 13:44, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  As there does not seem to be any appetite for enforcement action here, unless an uninvolved admin objects within the next day or so, I will close as above. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 14:57, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]