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Requested moves is a process for requesting the retitling (moving) of an article, template, or project page on Wikipedia. For retitling files, categories and other items, see When not to use this page.

Please read the article titling policy and the guideline regarding primary topics before moving a page or requesting a page move.

Any autoconfirmed user can use the Move function to perform most moves (see Help:How to move a page). If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page. However, it may not always be possible or desirable to do this:

  • Technical reasons may prevent a move: a page may already exist at the target title and require deletion, or the page may be protected from moves. See: § Requesting technical moves.
  • Requests to revert recent, undiscussed, controversial moves may be made at WP:RM/TR. If the new name has not become the stable title, the undiscussed move will be reverted. If the new name has become the stable title, a requested move will be needed to determine the article's proper location.
  • A title may be disputed, and discussion may be necessary to reach consensus: see § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. The requested moves process is not mandatory, and sometimes an informal discussion at the article's talk page can help reach consensus.
  • Unregistered users and new (not yet autoconfirmed) users are unable to move pages.

Requests are generally processed after seven days. If consensus is reached at or after this time, a reviewer will enact the request. If not, the request may be re-listed to allow more time for consensus to develop, or the discussion closed as "no consensus". See Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions for more details on the process.

Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a move request as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of the move discussion to determine whether or not the contested close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines.

When not to use this page[edit]

Separate processes exist for moving certain types of pages, and for changes other than page moves:

Undiscussed moves[edit]

Autoconfirmed editors may move a page without discussion if all of the following apply:

  • No article exists at the new target title;
  • There has been no discussion (especially no recent discussion) about the title of the page that expressed any objection to a new title; and
  • It seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move.

If you disagree with such a move, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move. If you cannot revert the move for technical reasons, then you may request a technical move.

Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again. Instead, follow the procedures laid out in § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves.

Requesting technical moves[edit]

If you are unable to complete a move for technical reasons, you can request technical help below. This is the correct page if you tried to move a page, but you got an error message saying something like "You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reasons: ..."

  • To list a technical request: edit the Uncontroversial technical requests subsection and insert the following code at the top of the list, filling in pages and reason:
    {{subst:RMassist|current page title|new page title|reason=reason for move}}
    This will automatically insert a bullet and include your signature. Please do not edit the article's talk page.
  • If you object to a proposal listed in the uncontroversial technical requests section, please move the request to the Contested technical requests section, append a note on the request elaborating on why, and sign with ~~~~. Consider pinging the requester to let them know about the objection.
  • If your technical request is contested, or if a contested request is left untouched without reply, create a requested move on the article talk and remove the request from the section here. The fastest and easiest way is to click the "discuss" button at the request, save the talk page, and remove the entry on this page.

Technical requests[edit]

Uncontroversial technical requests[edit]

Administrator needed[edit]

Contested technical requests[edit]

Requests to revert undiscussed moves[edit]

Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves[edit]

The discussion process is used for potentially controversial moves. A move is potentially controversial if either of the following applies:

  • there has been any past debate about the best title for the page;
  • someone could reasonably disagree with the move.

Use this process if there is any reason to believe a move would be contested. For technical move requests, such as to correct obvious typographical errors, see Requesting technical moves. The technical moves procedure can also be used for uncontroversial moves when the requested title is occupied by an existing article.

Do not create a new move request when one is already open on the same talk page. Instead, consider contributing to the open discussion if you would like to propose another alternative. Multiple closed move requests may be on the same page, but each should have a unique section heading.

Do not create a move request to rename one or more redirects. Redirects cannot be used as current titles in requested moves.

Requesting a single page move[edit]

To request a single page move, click on the "New section" (or "Add topic") tab of the talk page of the article you want moved, without adding a new subject/header, inserting this code:

{{subst:requested move|NewName|reason=Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.}}

Replace NewName with the requested new name of the page (or with a simple question mark, if you want more than one possible new name to be considered). The template will automatically create the heading "Requested move 27 September 2022" and sign the post for you.

There is no need to edit the article in question. Once the above code is added to the Talk page, a bot will automatically add the following notification at the top of the affected page:

Unlike other request processes on Wikipedia, such as Requests for comment, nominations need not be neutral. Make your point as best you can; use evidence (such as Google Ngrams and pageview statistics) and refer to applicable policies and guidelines, especially our article titling policy and the guideline on disambiguation and primary topics.

WikiProjects may subscribe to Article alerts to receive RM notifications. For example, Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Article alerts/Requested moves is transcluded to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography. RMCD bot notifies many of the other Wikiprojects listed on the talk page of the article to be moved to invite project members to participate in the RM discussion. Requesters should feel free to notify any other Wikiproject or noticeboard that might be interested in the move request, as long as this notification is neutral.

Single page move on a different talk page[edit]

Occasionally, a move request must be made on a talk page other than the talk page of the page to be moved. For example, a request to rename Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources to Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing and templates would need to take place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation because the talk page of the project page to be moved, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources, is a redirect to that centralized discussion page. In this type of case, the requested move should be made using the following code:

{{subst:requested move|reason=(the reason for the page move goes here).|current1=(present title of page to be renamed)|new1=(proposed title of page)}}

The |1= unnamed parameter is not used. The |current1= and |new1= parameters are used similar to multiple page moves described below.

Requesting multiple page moves[edit]

A single template may be used to request multiple related moves. On one of the talk pages of the affected pages, create a request and format it as below. A sample request for three page moves is shown here (for two page moves, omit the lines for current3 and new3). For four page moves, add lines for current4 and new4, and so on. There is no technical limit on the number of multiple move requests, but before requesting very large multi-moves, consider whether a naming convention should be changed first. Discuss that change on the talk page for the naming convention, e.g., Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (sportspeople).

To request a multiple page move, edit at the bottom of the talk page of the article you chose for your request, without adding a new header, inserting this code:

{{subst:requested move
| current1 = Current title of page 1
| new1     = New title for page 1 with the talk page hosting this discussion
| current2 = Current title of page 2
| new2     = New title for page 2
| current3 = Current title of page 3
| new3     = New title for page 3
| reason   = Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.

For example, to propose moving the articles Wikipedia and Wiki, put this template on Talk:Wikipedia, and replace current2 with Wiki. The discussion for all affected articles is held on the talk page of the article at page 1 (Talk:Wikipedia). Do not sign a request with ~~~~ as the template does this automatically. Do not skip pairs of numbers.

RMCD bot automatically places a notice section on the talk page of the additional pages that are included in your request, advising that the move discussion is in progress, where it is, and that all discussion for all pages included in the request should take place at that one location.

Occasionally the discussions for significant multi-move requests may be hosted on WikiProject talk pages or other pages in Project namespace. For multi-move discussions hosted on a page which is not itself proposed to be moved, specify |current1=Current title of page 1 for the first page to move.

Request all associated moves explicitly[edit]

Please list every move that you wish to have made in your request. For example, if you wish to move Cricket (disambiguation) to Cricket because you do not believe the sport is the primary topic for the search term "Cricket", then you actually want to move two pages, both Cricket (disambiguation) and Cricket. Thus you must list proposed titles for each page affected by your request. For example, you might propose:

If a new title is not proposed for the sport, it is more difficult to achieve consensus for a new title for that article. A move request that does not show what to do with the material at its proposed target, such as:

is incomplete. Such requests may be completed as a request to decide the best new title by discussion.

Template usage examples and notes
Talk page tag Text that will be shown (and usage notes)
{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why}}
links talk edit
Requested move 27 September 2022

Wikipedia:Requested movesNew – why Example (talk) 20:40, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Use when the proposed new title is given.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:.
This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.Reply[reply]

{{subst:Requested move|?|reason=why}}
Requested move 27 September 2022

Wikipedia:Requested moves → ? – why Example (talk) 20:40, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Use when the proposed new title is not known.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:.
This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.Reply[reply]

{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why|talk=yes}}
Requested move 27 September 2022

Wikipedia:Requested movesNew – why Example (talk) 20:40, 27 September 2022‎ (UTC)Reply[reply]

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this subsection with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
Any additional comments:

This template adds subsections for survey and discussion.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:
Click the "New Section" tab on the talk page and leave the Subject/headline blank, as the template by default automatically creates the heading.

{{subst:Requested move|new1=x|current2=y|new2=z|reason=why}}
Requested move 27 September 2022

– why Example (talk) 20:40, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted.
Be sure to use the subst: and place this tag at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.
Add additional related move requests in pairs (|current3= and |new3=, |current4= and |new4=, etc.).Reply[reply]

{{subst:Requested move|new1=?|current2=y|new2=?|reason=why}}
Requested move 27 September 2022

– why Example (talk) 20:40, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Commenting on a requested move[edit]

All editors are welcome to contribute to the discussion regarding a requested page move. There are a number of standards that Wikipedians should practice in such discussions:

  • When editors recommend a course of action, they write Support or Oppose in bold text, which is done by surrounding the word with three single quotes on each side, e.g. '''Support'''.
  • Comments or recommendations are added on a new bulleted line (that is, starting with *) and signed by adding ~~~~ to the end. Responses to another editor are threaded and indented using multiple bullets.
  • The article itself should be reviewed before any recommendation is made; do not base recommendations solely on the information supplied by other editors. It may also help to look at the article's edit history. However, please read the earlier comments and recommendations, as well as prior move requests. They may contain relevant arguments and useful information.
  • Vested interests in the article should be disclosed per Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI.

When participating, please consider the following:

  • Editors should make themselves familiar with the article titling policy at Wikipedia:Article titles.
  • Other important guidelines that set forth community norms for article titles include Wikipedia:Disambiguation, specific naming conventions, and the manual of style.
  • The debate is not a vote; please do not make recommendations that are not sustained by arguments.
  • Explain how the proposed article title meets or contravenes policy and guidelines rather than merely stating that it does so.
  • Nomination already implies that the nominator supports the name change, and nominators should refrain from repeating this recommendation on a separate bulleted line.[a]
  • Do not make conflicting recommendations. If you change your mind, use strike-through to retract your previous statement by enclosing it between <s> and </s> after the bullets, and de-bold the struck words, as in "• Support Oppose".

Please remember that reasonable editors will sometimes disagree, but that arguments based in policy, guidelines, and evidence have more weight than unsupported statements. When an editor offers an argument that does not explain how the move request is consistent with policies and guidelines, a reminder to engage in constructive, on-topic discussion may be useful. On the other hand, a pattern of responding to requests with groundless opinion, proof by assertion, and ignoring content guidelines may become disruptive. If a pattern of disruptive behavior persists after efforts are made to correct the situation through dialogue, please consider using a dispute resolution process.

Closing a requested move[edit]

Any uninvolved editor in good standing may close a move request. Please read the closing instructions for information on how to close a move request. The Simple guide to closing RM discussions details how to actually close a requested move discussion.

Relisting a requested move[edit]

Relisting a discussion moves the request out of the backlog up to the current day in order to encourage further input. The decision to relist a discussion is best left to uninvolved experienced editors upon considering, but declining, to close the discussion. In general, discussions should not be relisted more than once before properly closing.[b] Users relisting a debate which has already been relisted, or relisting a debate with a substantial discussion, should write a short explanation on why they did not consider the debate sufficient to close. While there is no consensus forbidding participation in a requested move discussion after relisting it, many editors consider it an inadvisable form of supervote. If you want to relist a discussion and then participate in it, be prepared to explain why you think it was appropriate.

Relisting should be done using {{subst:relisting}}, which automatically includes the relister's signature, and which must be placed at the very end of the initial request after the move requester's signature (and subsequent relisters' signatures).

When a relisted discussion reaches a resolution, it may be closed at any time according to the closing instructions; there is no required length of time to wait before closing a relisted discussion.

If discussion has become stale, or it seems that discussion would benefit from more input of editors versed in the subject area, consider more widely publicizing the discussion, such as by notifying WikiProjects of the discussion using the template {{RM notification}}. Banners placed at the top of the talk page hosting the move request can often be used to identify WikiProjects suitable for notification.


  1. ^ A nominator making a procedural nomination with which they may not agree is free to add a bulleted line explaining their actual position. Additional detail, such as sources, may also be provided in an additional bullet point if its inclusion in the nomination statement would make the statement unwieldy. Please remember that the entire nomination statement is transcluded into the list on this page.
  2. ^ Despite this, discussions are occasionally relisted more than once.

Current discussions[edit]

This section lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

This list is also available in a page-link-first format and in table format. 66 discussions have been relisted.

September 27, 2022[edit]

  • (Discuss)Volodymyr SaldoVladimir Saldo – Saldo is a head of Russian administration in Kherson, has been a Russian citizen since recently and Kherson Oblast will be annexed by Russia any day now as the referendum passed today, which automatically makes Saldo a Russian politician. Hence I think it would be appropriate to change the name of his article to the Russian version of his name Vladimir Saldo. Elserbio00 (talk) 18:29, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)Russkaya PravdaRus' Justice – The rules of naming manuscripts clearly state: "If a manuscript has an English name, the manuscript's article should be under that name." This one DOES have an English name, and it should be referenced as such. DoctorWhutsup (talk) 13:59, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)Tsardom of RussiaTsardom of Muscovy – The name "Tsardom of Russia" is not remotely close to beling the most common form of reference in English-speaking sources. Same precedents exist all over WIkipedia (for example, "Greeks," instead of "Hellenes". Before Peter the Great renamed his state, it was referenced as Muscovy not just externally, but occassionally even by Muscovites themeselves in legal documents (look up Sobornoye Ulozheniye, 1649). According to the common naming policy of Wikipedia, this article should not be named "Russia" as very few English-speaking authors refer to it as such. DoctorWhutsup (talk) 13:48, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)AlumnusAlumni – "Alumnus" is the male version of alumni, making the decision to locate the article here rather than at "Alumna" a clear instance of the male as norm phenomenon, and one that could potentially confuse readers about whether the article's scope (i.e. whether it also covers female alumnae). Per WP:Manual of Style#Gender-neutral language, a guideline, we should be avoiding the generic 'he' and generic 'she'" wherever "this can be done with clarity and precision." Therefore, it's desirable to move this article away from its current title if possible. There are two main alternatives. The first, "alum," is unfortunately still considered informal and appears to be popular mainly in the U.S. and Canada. For the second, the plural form "alumni," we need to consider WP:Naming conventions (plurals). That guideline advises normally using singular titles. However, it allows an exception for Articles on groups or classes of specific things, and alumni arguably fall into this category because the former students of any given institution are almost always considered as a group. It also notes the option to ignore the rules here in order to make the encyclopedia better, which I think is relevant if one disagrees with my interpretations of WP:PLURALS. If we end up having to choose between adhering to WP:PLURALS and MOS:GNL, I think it's more important to adhere to MOS:GNL given the factors above. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 05:46, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)Chop Suey! (song)Chop Suey!Chop Suey! already redirects here so there's no reason for the parentheses. This is the only page listed on Chop suey (disambiguation) that includes an exclamation point. The official music video, YouTube audio, and Spotify audio all include the exclamation point. Official name is of course not binding but it's something to consider. I haven't analyzed whether with or without is more common in media, but here is an assortment of articles that use the exclamation point: [4] [5] [6] These show that even if the exclamation point isn't the most commonly used name, it is a commonly used name, and WP:NATURAL says we should prefer the naturally-disambiguated "Chop Suey!" over the parenthetical "Chop Suey (song)". But the current title of "Chop Suey! (song)" makes no sense, because again, "Chop Suey!" redirects here anyway. —pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 04:00, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

September 26, 2022[edit]

  • (Discuss)Boxer (disambiguation)Boxer – It seems unclear, especially when using third party search engines, if readers looking up the term "boxer" are primarily looking for someone who participates in the sport of boxing or Boxer (breed). This looks like a case where there are co-dominant subjects where it is not clear which one readers are looking for when searching the term. Steel1943 (talk) 18:52, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)DappDapp, Alberta – Dapp, a hamlet of 30 people, is clearly not a primary topic. DAPP is the current disambiguation page, but Dapp would be a clearer title. (disambiguation) is would be a clearer name for it, and DAPP can just redirect to Dapp (disambiguation) as it appears to be the abbreviation for more than one link. Alternatively DAPP could become DAPP (disambiguation) and we could separate out the Dapp links from the DAPP links. Bermicourt (talk) 17:51, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)Nadezhda TolokonnikovaNadya Tolokonnikova – Subject has made all official media and political appearances, including with US State Department, RISD, CNN, MSNBC, Guardian, Rolling Stone etc as Nadya not Nadezhda. Comparing Google News results for last 12 months, 622 news results for "Nadya Tolokonnikova" compared to 154 news results for "Nadezhda Tolokonnikova", showing a naturalness of Nadya vs Nadezhda. WP:CRITERIA states "article titles are based on how reliable English-language sources refer to the article's subject" therefore Russian speaking media should not apply to this discussion (this was brought up in a previous move discussion about Russian sources favoring Nadezhda). Pathofkarma (talk) 01:25, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

September 25, 2022[edit]

  • (Discuss)Izium mass gravesIzium massacre – sources are already calling this a massacre and likening it to the Bucha massacre, and sadly it already looks like an even bigger scale. Each mass grave of 10-25 people with one 440 people; the name "mass graves" suggests more of an archaeological discovery than a macabre mass-crime scene Abcmaxx (talk) 18:52, 16 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 04:16, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)List of Anime Grand Prix winnersAnime Grand Prix – I suggest renaming this article from the list of winners to just Anime Grand Prix. Currently Anime Grand Prix redirects to Animage#Anime_Grand_Prix, but the interwiki from our article here (the list) to ja wiki is not to a list but to an article about the award, with list included in it, ja:アニメグランプリ, which can be used to expand the prose section here. The award is likely notable and deserves its own article, and such an article can include the list. I don't think that there is a need to spit things (yes, we could just create a separate artcle instaed of moving this one, but it already introduces the award in the lead, so by split things?). And it's strange to have a list of winners but not an article on an award. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:46, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)Nick TaylorNicholas Taylor – The legal first name for most of the entries on this page is "Nicholas", Nick being the short-form or nickname. Nicholas is better suited for the title since it covers most of the entries Ortizesp (talk) 00:10, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

September 24, 2022[edit]

  • (Discuss)Ben DavisBenjamin DavisBen Davis should redirect to Benjamin Davis, rather than the other way around. Main title headers of disambiguation pages usually indicate a full name, such as "Richard", rather than "Rick" or "Dick", or "Charles", rather than "Charlie" or "Chuck" if, among the listed people, at least one person's WP:COMMONNAME is the full name. In the case at hand, there are 26 bulleted entries listed upon the Ben Davis dab page, eight of which use the form "Benjamin". —Roman Spinner (talkcontribs) 23:10, 24 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)Killing of Hae Min LeeMurder of Hae Min Lee – Just because Syed's conviction has been overturned, it doesn't mean Lee wasn't murdered. She was murdered, it's just now the murder is essentially unsolved. The article should be renamed back to what it was, "Murder of Hae Min Lee" as this is still a murder case. Inexpiable (talk) 11:12, 24 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

September 23, 2022[edit]

  • (Discuss)Herbalife NutritionHerbalifeWP:CONCISE and WP:COMMONNAME. The article was apparently moved in early 2018 (without discussion) to the longer name by someone who has not made any further edits since that day, citing an article saying the company had changed its name. However, Wikipedia does not always use official company names, and any cursory review of material written about the company and its products will show that it is more commonly referred to by the shorter name. It may also be worth noting that the company's web domain name herbalife.com does not include the second word, that the logo that includes the second word de-emphasizes it by using a different color for it, that brand logos that do not include the second word remain in current use by the company, and that the official company name appearing in various places on the website is actually "Herbalife International, Inc." (with a U.S. subsidiary called "Herbalife International of America, Inc.", neither of which include "Nutrition"). Photo searches for "Herbalife headquarters building" or "Herbalife products" shows that the second word is often absent on branded material. A search on Amazon.com for "Herbalife" reveals that the second word is more often absent than not on the product packaging. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 16:19, 23 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)SpeedrunSpeedrunning – Requesting to move to gerund form of the verb "speedrun". "Speedrunning" is generally how the activity is referred to, and always struck me as weird that the article's title was "Speedrun" as a noun, as in the product of the action. Looking to Running, Racing, Swimming (the example given at WP:GERUND), etc. as precedent for this. Reliable sources extensively identify it as "Speedrunning" and I think that most people looking up information about the hobby in general will use that term. I don't really expect this to be controversial unless there's past discussion or precedent against this move that I'm unaware of. Bluecrystal004 (talk · contribs) 15:15, 23 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)The Queue → ? – During the recent AfD, it was suggested that article should be renamed. 'The Queue' is an colloquial term applied on the event surrounding the Queen's lying-in-state. Proponents for keeping the article name as it is would cite WP:COMMONNAME and it being reported as such, but a search on Google news, even with just 'The Queue' reveals that reports of the event being reported 'Queue', 'queue', queue to the...' in headlines and body text. There is no consistency and does not demonstrate the term to be a common name. Even in the article here, 'The Queue' is just simply the queue in the rest of the body text. Also, as indicated in the article, 'The Queue' refers to the main queue of the event, while the article covers more than just that. During the course of the AfD, there had been at least one attempt to move the article as well, and in the AfD discussion, various alternative names were thrown out: :A: Stage Funeral Queue of Elizabeth II :B: Queue to Elizabeth II lying in state :C: Lying-in-state of Elizabeth II :D: Queue to pass Elizabeth II lying-in-state (this is from the undiscussed move) I am opening the discussion here to solicit if the article should be renamed, and if so, rename to what? – robertsky (talk) 06:26, 23 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

September 22, 2022[edit]

  • (Discuss)Family tree of the Norse godsGeneologies of the Norse gods – 'Family trees of the Nordic/Norse gods' would also work. Really up for discussion on the title but I am completely in agreement with comments made many years ago on this page that the matter is full of nuance and contradiction. I think there is merit in the page but a name change would, in addition to making more sense given that there are multiple trees presented, facilitate a proper explanation and discussion e.g. Snorri making Odin the father of basically everyone - potentially not a view of heathens at the time and before, if they'd even think of matters in the categorical manner we do. I've tried to make this as usable as I can without a major rework to remove misleading information and add notes to explain ambiguities but I think more explanation would help. Ingwina (talk) 20:53, 22 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)Jomboy (sports media)Jimmy O'Brien (sports media) – It seems to me that, now that "Jomboy" has evolved from a single person into a full-fledged media company, it makes more sense to identify the man as Jimmy O'Brien rather than as Jomboy. Most reliable sources refer to him as Jimmy O'Brien, and only mention "Jomboy" as the name of his company. This was done in today's NY Times article about him (probably the most substantial reliable-source article about him), as well as in the New York Post, Forbes, and Deadline. An NJ.com article called him 'Jomboy' in the title, but consistently referred to him as O'Brien throughout the article. O'Brien himself seems to be using a mix of his two names now. On Twitter he's Jomboy, but on Instagram he's Jimmy O'Brien. The Weekly Dumb is presented by Jimmy and Jake, but Talkin' Yanks is presented by Jomboy and Jake. To use the article title criteria, I think both "Jomboy" and "Jimmy O'Brien" are recognizable names, but "Jimmy O'Brien" is more natural (it's odd to use "Jomboy" in a sentence in an encyclopedia; in fact, this article already refers to him "O'Brien" on most mentions) and more precise (it distinguishes him from his company). There is the possibility that we could have a separate article about the company titled Jomboy Media, but I don't think it makes sense for O'Brien's article to be titled Jomboy. IagoQnsi (talk) 02:27, 15 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 14:23, 22 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)UthsavarUtsava murti – Literature review * The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Hinduism p. 726 - entry "Utsava murti" * Puja and Piety: Hindu, Jain, and Buddhist Art from the ... - Page 71 by Pratapaditya Pal, Stephen P. Huyler, John E. Cort - "Processional images" section * Everyday Hinduism by Joyce Burkhalter Flueckiger - Page 77, 106-9 "murti is also commonly used in the South in reference to festival images (utsava urtis) and the primary image of a temple (mula murti)." * The Camphor Flame: Popular Hinduism and Society in India by C. J. Fuller ·p. 108 "Movable images (utsava murti, “festival image”) of the presiding (and subsidiary) deities," * Gods Beyond Temples - Page 165 by Harsha V. Dehejia Redtigerxyz Talk 14:18, 22 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)2022 Western Mexico earthquake2022 Michoacán earthquake – Should be renamed to 2022 Michoacan earthquake, Michoacan is a more suitable and appropriately specific name meanwhile Western Mexico is too generalized and points out to a large portion of land. Also does not comply with the other Mexican earthquake articles which use state names as their article name. Reego41 08:30, 22 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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  • (Discuss)TrapezoidTrapezoid and trapezium – This article covers both quadrilaterals with parallel sides (trapezoids) and quadrilaterals with no parallel sides (trapeziums). To be clear, this proposal is not about the British-American terminology difference. It is about the fact that (American) trapeziums (i.e. quadrilaterals with no parallel sides) is within the scope of this article, so should be represented in the title. Please could commenters avoid the quagmire of the terminology question and focus on the scope. Onceinawhile (talk) 20:42, 21 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)Cellar door (disambiguation)Cellar door – I'm not convinced that the phrase qua sonorous phrase is the primary topic. We have several other possibilities for what a reader might mean by the phrase; best to let a search for the term come to the dab page rather than force an extra click (especially since it's a redirect to a section; I think the principle of least surprise is being violated there). Powers T 12:34, 21 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)Gorno-Badakhshan Autonomous RegionGorno-Badakhshan – Per WP:COMMONNAME, as "Gorno-Badakhshan" is the common name in English, derived from Russian. "Gorno-Badakhshan Autonomous Region" is not the official name of the region in English, and so English media variously use the suffixes "Autonomous Region", "Autonomous Province", "Autonomous Oblast", "Region" or just Gorno-Badakhshan. The sources provided in an earlier move discussion in 2008 are either dead or now use the names "Gorno-Badakhshan" or "Gorno-Badakhshan autonomous region". "Autonomous region" is in lowercase because it is a reference to the type of subnational division Gorno-Badakhshan is, and not a part of the region's name (officially, or commonly in English). Yue🌙 05:25, 21 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)Tu Vuò Fà L'AmericanoTu vuò fà l'americano – return to the article's original title per WP:MOSMUSIC ("For non-classical foreign-language recordings, usage of capitalization found in English-language reliable sources is recommended, but when such sources use different capitalizations there is some leaning towards the capitalization rules valid for the language of the creator.") Sources are mixed but lean toward Italian lowercase. cf. others in Category:Italian songs. —  AjaxSmack  03:31, 21 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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  • (Discuss)Calf (disambiguation)Calf – No primary topic, Calf (leg) has 10,807 views and The Calf has 98 compared with only 5,254[[17]] for the animal. Google returns the leg article first and most of the other results are for the leg. Images also returns slightly more results for the leg but Books mainly returns the animal. Calf (cattle) and Calf (young animal) are possibilities but with respect to the 1st the term is used for other animals and with respect to the 2nd it may be unnecessarily specific as the leg term only appears to be used to refer to humans on the other hand the "animal" disambiguator may still be ambiguous with human leg parts. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:52, 19 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)Tesshō GendaTessyo Genda – I previously requested a move to this spelling which ended with no consensus, perhaps because I didn't explain myself enough or provide enough evidence. According to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Japan-related articles#Modern names, articles about post-Meiji-Restoration Japanese people should be titled after "the form [of their name] personally or professionally used by the person, if available in the English/Latin alphabet (this can include the spelling appearing on their official website or official social media profile, but do not rely on a URL when the actual text is all Japanese)"; modified Hepburn romanization should only be used for article titles when no official nor commonly used romanization can be identified. The modified Hepburn romanization should always be included in parentheses in the opening of the article, and it will still be there if the title of the article uses a different spelling. In this case, the website of the person's agency uses the spelling Tessyo Genda. This is supported by this spelling also being used on the industry database Japan Creator Bank and on the US/CA poster for his recent movie The Deer King, which can be downloaded in high enough resolution to read the text in this ZIP file. Some much earlier Roman-character posters use another spelling, but Tessyo Genda appears from this evidence to be the current official one. JFDB, another industry database, uses Tessho, but I would not consider that as authoritative a source as his agency's site. If you don't like the Tessyo spelling and want the article to be titled after the modified Hepburn organization, Tesshō, then you need to get the policy on this at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Japan-related articles#Modern names changed because prioritizing the modified Hepburn romanization is not currently what the Manual of Style tells us to do. Opposing this move will not change the policy. If you think a different spelling is currently more commonly used officially and can provide evidence, then that would be a valid reason for opposing the move and will help us to decide what the article title should be. Tempjrds (talk) 04:22, 12 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 16:16, 19 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)Jeff Chan → ? – Comparing the page views for the past 7 years, the basketball players has the higher average than the saxophonist (even Jeffery Paul Chan averages more than the saxophonist). It's clear the saxophonist is not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC anymore, but I am also quite unsure if the page view difference is significant enough to conclude that the basketball players is the new primary topic. So I say move the saxophonist's article and create a dab page at the name without the dab. I'm unsure though if "saxophonist", "composer", or "musician" should be the dab for the new page name of the saxophonist's article (if moved). Engr. Smitty Werben 08:01, 19 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)Prince Edward, Earl of WessexPrince Edward, Earl of Wessex and Forfar – I think in the UK he's known simply as "prince Edward", and if we're going to start saying his titles, naming the English earldom of Wessex and not the Scottish earldom of Forfar sounds a bit disrespectul to Scotland. Alternatively, something that doesn't mention any of the 2 earldoms would also be fine. And this may become a moot point in the future if he gets given the dukedom of Edinburgh (but, of course, that would be WP:CRYSTAL). Dr. Vogel (talk) 18:15, 18 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)The Song of SayaSaya no Uta – A short while ago, I moved this page from the original Japanese title to the current title (its official localized English title), thinking it preferable to use that title as it is the official title of the game in English. Another user, Samalik16, as can be seen in the discussion above, disagreed and opted to move the page to "Saya no Uta (Song of Saya)" arguing WP:COMMONNAME. (It was later moved back to the current title per WP:TITLE.) The subject is generally referred to by both names interchangably in various sources, in part due to the game becoming known for its association with Gen Urobuchi prior to being officially localized, and the eventual offical English release using the Japanese name as a subtitle (or the English name as a subtitle for the Japanese name? It's hard to tell). In any case, given the disagreement on which title is preferred, I thought it best to seek consensus from the community. I should make clear, I don't actually have a strong preference one way or the other. The page can very well be called The Song of Saya or Saya no Uta, both are perfectly valid titles as both are recognizably associated with the subject, but I believe we ought to pick one or the other and stick with it. I support whichever title everyone else prefers. ostensibly singular userpage (inquire within) 17:44, 18 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)MaizeCorn – The WP:COMMONNAME of this plant is "corn". It has been this way throughout the entire NGRAMS corpus, including when limited only to British English and separately when limited only to American English. (The article, according to the talk page, is written in American English). Previous arguments have incorrectly assumed that British publications do not frequently use "corn" to refer to the plant (or alternatively, the plant when in a field), but mainstream publications in the United Kingdom like The Guardian regularly refer to the plant as "corn" without any reference to "maize" ([22] [23] [24] [25]) and the BBC refers to fields of this crop as "corn fields". The proposed title currently redirects here and the plant referred to herein is the WP:PTOPIC for the term "Corn", so usurping the redirect poses no challenge. For these reasons, the title of this article should be moved to "Corn", which is this crop's WP:COMMONNAME. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 15:46, 11 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 16:08, 18 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)Iberia, Byzantine EmpireTheme of Iberia – Again, per WP:CONCISE and WP:CONSIST, I still believe Theme of Iberia would be perfectly suiting name as "X of Iberia" is better description for the polity, but as it was rejected by the colleagues in previous move-request I am suggesting we offer better fitting name as the current name reads like a name of a little town in the middle of nowhere. Regards, An emperor /// Ave 01:52, 11 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 04:40, 18 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)Bulldog StadiumValley Children's Stadium – In July 2022, the stadium was officially renamed under a 10 year agreement. I have not performed a move like this and I know the old name shows up in many places. Any help with making sure this move is done successfully is requested. Also if anyone has input on the move itself please add. Nweil (talk) 18:59, 2 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 03:31, 10 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 13:55, 17 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)Dissent from Catholic teaching on homosexualityDissent from Holy See teaching on homosexuality – "The Holy See" is an uncontroversial term, but 'Catholic' is a more controversial one. Are these dissident Priests 'truly Catholic'? There are implications to this qn: Are they in harmony with 'Catholic teaching'? (We may not all agree on the ans to these qns, which lies in theology, which we wikipedians are have no authority to debate about.) We may not have the authority to say if they're dissenting from 'Catholic teaching', BUT we all CAN agree that they're dissenting from the teaching of an institution - the Holy See. Let's remove ambiguity. Let's use uncontroversial terms. P.S. If "the HS's teaching" is more grammatically acceptable than "HS teaching", I'm fine with that. FatalSubjectivities (talk) 09:29, 17 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)Reese's 150Kansas Lottery 150 – This ARCA Menards Series race is this weekend. It used to have the Kansas Lottery as its title sponsor and they are coming back this year as the race's title sponsor. Because the article used to have the title of "Kansas Lottery 150", that title is redirected to the article's current title (Reese's 150) and the article title now needs to be switched back to Kansas Lottery 150 over the redirect. Articles about NASCAR and ARCA races are usually named according to the race's title sponsor. I previously put in a request for this on August 19 and it hasn't been moved yet. Cavanaughs (talk) 16:59, 5 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 08:26, 15 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)BDI BridgeElm Park Bridge – It looks like the official name is "Elm Park Bridge" while the alternate name is "BDI Bridge" - it even says as much in the introduction of the article. I'm wondering if the official name should be used as the article title (Elm Park Bridge) with a redirect from the unofficial name, as opposed to the other way around? MuzikMachine (talk) 14:29, 29 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Favonian (talk) 14:59, 5 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 08:25, 15 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)InjuryHuman injury – This article is exclusively about human injury, and on 25 August 2022, it was proposed below that it be moved to Human injury. A new article about the broader concept of injury could then be created in its place. The article Human injury would remain under the scope of WikiProject Medicine while the new Injury article would be overseen by WikiProject Biology and WikiProject Vital Articles. I personally have no opinion on the question and am just converting the ongoing discussion to proper WP:RM format. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:03, 6 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 16:52, 14 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)Julio Iglesias Sr.Julio Iglesias Puga – Recommend moving this to either "Julio Iglesias Puga" or "Julio Iglesias (gynecologist)" as the title is a WP:NEOLOGISM. The senior, junior, III model is not used in Spanish, where this man spent his whole life. The English source from UPI introduces him as "Dr. Julio Iglesias Puga" and later calls him "Iglesias Sr.", a common journalistic way of disambiguating people, whether or not they share the same first name. The current title also runs into confusion as the son of Julio Iglesias is Julio Iglesias Jr., and is professionally known as that due to living in the US. The average person who sees the Jr. article and will expect the Sr. article to be Jr's father. Google Books search is mainly cheap biographies of his star offspring, but they too call him "Julio Iglesias Puga". It's up to you whether it's clearer to include his second surname, or his profession. Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:35, 5 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Shadow007 (talk) 03:13, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (Discuss)2023 Nigerian general election2023 Nigerian elections – I requested this move as the current title indicates that there is one central election on one day (like 2018 Pakistani and 2019 British election pages); however, there are dozens of different elections in Nigeria throughout 2023 (from February to at least November) making this page more comparable to the 2020 United States elections (especially as they are both presidential systems with a large number of disparate elections throughout the year). Also, as the component elections in this page already have unique pages, it is no longer like the 2019 page where there was no separate election page. In accordance with other like pages, such as the 2022 Nigerian elections, 2023 Nigerian elections is more accurate. When a user first moved the page to its current name, it was clear that the user was not at all familiar with the content; when I requested it be moved back to its stable "2023 Nigerian elections", a different opponent pivoted to a content discussion before refusing to engage so the discussion was closed. This cycle of ghosting discussion continued nine more times over months to avoid justifying the move. After a RFC, it was suggested to open a new move request. Watercheetah99 (talk) 00:38, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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  1. ^ [hhttps://twitter.com/charlieshack/status/1181943166360047617 "Charlie Shackleton on Twitter: For a long time now, I've regretted a decision I made about 15 years ago, when—in a fit of teenage reinvention—I stopped using my mum's surname, Shackleton, and started using my dad's, Lyne. (My mum raised me after my dad left us when I was a baby.)"]. Twitter. Retrieved 9 September 2016.
  2. ^ "Charlie Shackleton". BFI. Retrieved 22 September 2022.
  3. ^ "Charlie Shackleton". Internet Movie Database. Retrieved 9 September 2016.

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