|WikiProject Discrimination||(Rated Template-class)|
@Lute88: I removed the links to these two articles because neither of them covers discrimination, at least not in the sense of the excellent list given by Chrisahn above. Also, please remember that any changes made to this template should also be made to Template:Discrimination which contains the navbar corresponding to this sidebar. --Rsk6400 (talk) 17:58, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
So there have been people who object to Speciesism going under "General forms" for being a minority view, I've explained that it's almost true by definition that many forms of discrimination will have been and indeed still are considered "minority views," but fair enough. Now, how is speciesism not even a related topic when it is discussed in the main article for discrimination itself?
First off, there is plenty of verification that though thinking Speciesism is a form of discrimination is a minority view, it is not "fringe," and claiming that it is so is just pushing an agenda using a very loaded term. Please see https://en.wikipedia.orghttps://demo.azizisearch.com/starter/google/wikipedia/page/Discrimination#Theories_and_philosophy and https://en.wikipedia.orghttps://demo.azizisearch.com/starter/google/wikipedia/page/Speciesism#Spread_of_the_idea. The latter shows how the definition in the Oxford English Dictionary is literally "discrimination against or exploitation of animal species by human beings, based on an assumption of mankind's superiority." Is the OED now a fringe publication? How about Merriam-Webster, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/speciesism. "Definition of speciesism 1: prejudice or discrimination based on species especially: discrimination against animals." Is Merriam-Webster now a fringe publication too? This is getting ridiculous. For those who disagree, please stop patronizingly reverting good-faith edits by pretending to be unbiased and only upholding the policies when you clearly are not, I have shown plenty of verification and you have none.
Second of all, even if it was a fringe view, it would still be a "related" topic. Whether or not a topic is "fringe" has no bearing on whether or not it is "related" to another topic. Also are you really going to tell me that Oikophobia or Allophilia merit inclusion because they are totally well known concepts? I haven't even heard of those terms before today and a simple Google ngram seach (https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Speciesism%2CAllophilia%2COikophobia&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3&direct_url=t1%3B%2CSpeciesism%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CAllophilia%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2COikophobia%3B%2Cc0) shows that speciesism is astronomically more recognized than those two. Again this is ridiculous.
After some digging, it seems speciesism has been discussed an incredible amount already in relation to discrimination. In https://en.wikipedia.orghttps://demo.azizisearch.com/starter/google/wikipedia/page/Template_talk:Discrimination, 4 out of the 13 topics is about speciesism, a huge plurality of the topics discussed. In https://en.wikipedia.orghttps://demo.azizisearch.com/starter/google/wikipedia/page/Talk:Discrimination#Adding_Species_section there is another massive section. Evidently it is at the very least RELATED to the topic. Saying that it is not would actually be insidiously and purposefully sticking one's head in the sand.
pretending to be unbiasedor calling the process
ridiculousis really just projecting something in your imagination out into the world. When trying to edit Wikipedia, that kind of projection will get in your way every time. Best to keep a cool head and stick to the facts. And remember that everyone makes mistakes.
Discrimination is the unfair or prejudicial treatment of people and groups based on characteristics such as race, gender, age or sexual orientation. Also useful are internationally respected organizations like Amnesty International which specialize in the category of phenomena under discussion:
Discrimination occurs when a person is unable to enjoy his or her human rights or other legal rights on an equal basis with others because of an unjustified distinction made in policy, law or treatment.
speciesism n. discriminatory, prejudicial, or exploitative practices against nonhuman animals, often on the basis of an assumption of human superiority.— American Psychological Association Dictionary of Psychology  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rasnaboy (talk • contribs) 10:07, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
I suggest that speciesism and antispeciesism and/or animal rights are added under Attributes and Countermeasures respectively. animal abuse could be listed as a Manifestation, rather than only being relagated to Related topics. I'm open to other suggestions for other articles that might better represent it.
The term Person (personhood) is not human specific, and the term "people" is listed a plural form thereof, and as such it can also mean other species, or alien lifeforms for that matter. In other words as a concept it's not tied to humanity but a more general sense of justice. Some, however, read the lead of Discrimination and the article in general as specific to humankind though that's subject to interpretation, and that in turn has been used as justification for excluding non-human forms of discrimination from being listed as prominently in this sidebar.
Wikipedia itself is shaping and reinforcing certain beliefs whether we like it or not, and as such the priority should be accuracy rather than saying whatever is common which the dictionary would list WP:NOT#DICT, even if the common belief is unfounded. For instance expert opinion from academia on topics within Physics would overrule the most common beliefs from laymen about what light really is. This is the case even though expert opinion is inherently fringe compared to society at large. Moral philosophers specialized within these fields are the authority, examples being Peter Singer and Tom Regan spring to mind, but I'm sure there are others, of varying beliefs.
If Discrimination and this sidebar is supposed to be about human discrimination exclusively for some reason, the titles should be changed to reflect that.
Looking forward to reading some fresh perspectives, and hopefully seeing further improved articles.
I just want a clear, well defined example how hating or discrimination based on ethnicity or country of origin wouldn’t apply to Anti-American sentiment. Is discrimination and hate not applicable to Americans? It seems ridiculous to try and say it doesn’t apply, but I’d love to hear why. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MonSocMan (talk • contribs) 10:43, 13 April 2022 (UTC)